Catholic Answers Forums - Social Justice http://forums.catholic.com en Tue, 18 Jun 2013 22:34:57 GMT vBulletin 30 http://forums.catholic.com/images/misc_khaki/rss.jpg Catholic Answers Forums - Social Justice http://forums.catholic.com <![CDATA[Pope challenges G8 leaders on economic justice, peace [CWN]]]> http://forums.catholic.com/showthread.php?t=797645&goto=newpost Mon, 17 Jun 2013 17:00:02 GMT In a message to the leaders of the G8 industrial nations, who are meeting in Northern Ireland this week, Pope Francis said said that "the goal of economics and politics is to serve ...

More... ]]> Social Justice CWN News http://forums.catholic.com/showthread.php?t=797645 Pathological Altruism http://forums.catholic.com/showthread.php?t=797353&goto=newpost Sun, 16 Jun 2013 17:20:11 GMT
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Oakley defines pathological altruism as "altruism in which attempts to promote the welfare of others instead result in unanticipated harm." A crucial qualification is that while the altruistic actor fails to anticipate the harm, "an external observer would conclude [that it] was reasonably foreseeable." Thus, she explains, if you offer to help a friend move, then accidentally break an expensive item, your altruism probably isn't pathological; whereas if your brother is addicted to painkillers and you help him obtain them, it is.

As the latter example suggests, the idea of "codependency" is a subset of pathological altruism. "Feelings of empathic caring . . . appear to lie at the core of . . . codependent behavior," Oakley notes. People in codependent relationships genuinely care for each other, but that empathy leads them to do destructive things.
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000...824389986.html

This strikes me as an interesting and useful concept.

First, there is the recognition that altruism can be pathological. This will not sit confortably with those who believe that by following their heart they can do no wrong but it should come as no shock to Catholics that there is more to doing good than meaning good.

Second, it draws out the codpedency relationship between the actor and the "helper". What does the "helper" get? I'll leave that left unsaid. But it might be worth reflecting how often our "help" ends up hurting those we aim to help and what moral culpability we bear in those situations.

The article is more about hte debate within science but this is an interesting moral topic. It should go without saying that you cannot achieve social justice by practicing pathological altruism. ]]> Social Justice Bubba Switzler http://forums.catholic.com/showthread.php?t=797353 Why are they fighting in Syria? http://forums.catholic.com/showthread.php?t=797330&goto=newpost Sun, 16 Jun 2013 15:23:25 GMT I did debate on where to ask this question. I hope I picked the correct place. As I am not posting a news story, I figured my question did belong in "World News." I'm guessing that the Syrians are fighting for social justice, so I thought I'd post my question here.

I understand why the people of the Middle East have a battle going on with the western world, but I'm at a total loss of why Syria is fighting itself.

Without being political, could someone please tell me why they are fighting in Syria?

Also, if you don't mind. what is the Arab Spring? ]]> Social Justice sweetcharity http://forums.catholic.com/showthread.php?t=797330 Is the religious liberty of pro-SSM churches infringed by banning civil same-sex marriage? http://forums.catholic.com/showthread.php?t=797062&goto=newpost Sat, 15 Jun 2013 21:24:01 GMT Given how much people here recognize the importance of religious liberty, I'm wondering what people here think. ]]> Social Justice Biblepoe http://forums.catholic.com/showthread.php?t=797062 Prison Time for Miscarriages? http://forums.catholic.com/showthread.php?t=796642&goto=newpost Fri, 14 Jun 2013 16:17:05 GMT The State of Mississippi is looking to imprison a woman for having a miscarriage. The notion is that because the woman tested positive for methamphetamine in her blood, the state says she caused the death of her fetus due to neglect. The article does seem to have a bit of a liberal bias, but still... http://www.addictinginfo.org/2013/05/23/conservative-controlled-mississippi-seeks-to-toss-women-in-prison-for-miscarriages/ The State of Mississippi is looking to imprison a woman for having a miscarriage. The notion is that because the woman tested positive for methamphetamine in her blood, the state says she caused the death of her fetus due to neglect.

The article does seem to have a bit of a liberal bias, but still...

http://www.addictinginfo.org/2013/05...-miscarriages/ ]]> Social Justice Lost_Sheep http://forums.catholic.com/showthread.php?t=796642 <![CDATA[Quebec ?aid in dying' legislation denounced [CWN]]]> http://forums.catholic.com/showthread.php?t=796573&goto=newpost Fri, 14 Jun 2013 12:10:05 GMT The Catholic Organization for Life and Family ? an initiative of the Canadian Conference of Catholic Bishops and the Knights of Columbus ? has denounced legislation that would legalize ... More... (http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/CatholicWorldNewsFeatureStories/~3/nMXG9F3kgm0/index.cfm) The Catholic Organization for Life and Family ? an initiative of the Canadian Conference of Catholic Bishops and the Knights of Columbus ? has denounced legislation that would legalize ...

More... ]]> Social Justice CWN News http://forums.catholic.com/showthread.php?t=796573 Excommunication http://forums.catholic.com/showthread.php?t=796411&goto=newpost Thu, 13 Jun 2013 21:59:13 GMT I knew of someone who as a teenager, desecrated a cemetery with some of his friends. (Grave robbery) Would he have been excommunicated for such a thing? He left the Catholic church near that time and later became protestant. I was wondering if there might be a reason he has not returned to the Church. Another question I have is if someone IS excommunicated, is that a permanent thing or can they later petition to come back to the church? Thanks I knew of someone who as a teenager, desecrated a cemetery with some of his friends. (Grave robbery) Would he have been excommunicated for such a thing? He left the Catholic church near that time and later became protestant. I was wondering if there might be a reason he has not returned to the Church.

Another question I have is if someone IS excommunicated, is that a permanent thing or can they later petition to come back to the church?

Thanks ]]> Social Justice Rae8 http://forums.catholic.com/showthread.php?t=796411 <![CDATA[Any suggestions for "The Pope Francis Waste Not Club"?]]> http://forums.catholic.com/showthread.php?t=795929&goto=newpost Wed, 12 Jun 2013 12:05:51 GMT I'm really inspired by our new Pope Francis. I think he's really hit the nail on the head by speaking about how we have to overcome our "culture of waste."

This involves a lot of practical solutions and ideas. It doesn't dwell on the problems that our wastefulness generates so much (about which people may argue ad infinitum), as it does on the way out, the solutions......"Waste Not."

This approach also does not criticize people for living rich lifestyles, only for living somewhat profligately and prodigally. And I suspect a large portion of people around the world (except perhaps for the poorest of the poor) can benefit themselves and others by reducing their waste.

I was very touched when I read about how Pope Francis would return the 30 newspaper rubberbands to the newspaper man at the end of each month.

I'd like this thread to be only about how we can reduce our waste in various ways.

So any suggestions?

On another thread I suggested taking one's own shopping bags while shopping, and another poster suggested something even more effective -- repairing broken equipment (cars, weed-whackers), rather than buying new.

I'll try to create a list later of all the suggestions (and I'd appreciate if the suggestions were not facetious, but serious).

No idea is too small.....rubberbands included. For instance I try to take a hanky with me for wiping hands in public restrooms (tho I sometimes forget). ]]> Social Justice lynnvinc http://forums.catholic.com/showthread.php?t=795929 <![CDATA[Vatican demands better protection for refugees [CNAU]]]> http://forums.catholic.com/showthread.php?t=795758&goto=newpost Tue, 11 Jun 2013 22:10:01 GMT Jun 11, '13 6:00 am
The world&rsquo;s governments must give &ldquo;absolute priority&rdquo; to the fundamental human rights of refugees, the Vatican insisted in a new document released last week, reports Ucanews.

More... ]]> Social Justice Catholic Press http://forums.catholic.com/showthread.php?t=795758 disorder http://forums.catholic.com/showthread.php?t=795733&goto=newpost Tue, 11 Jun 2013 20:18:46 GMT Pax! According to Catholicism (and myself) homosexuality is a disorder. I've been listening to Catholic psychologists on Catholic Live Radio telling us that homosexual disorder can be cured. When I listen to psychiatrists they tell me that personality disorder or other mental disorder will never be cured even if one learns to cope with it. So why then is homosexual disorder cureable? I have hear Oriental Orthodoxes telling me that they think even just having homosexual disorder is sinful. Cancer is also a disorder. Wouldn't that make cancer sinful as well. I am a confused non-Catholic. Please help me understand Catholicism. ]]> Social Justice henrikhank http://forums.catholic.com/showthread.php?t=795733 Russia- set to pass anti-gay law http://forums.catholic.com/showthread.php?t=795618&goto=newpost Tue, 11 Jun 2013 14:07:05 GMT Is there anything wrong with this? I am not looking for an attack on Russia when it comes to other areas, for they are open game for that. Is this morally acceptable for a country to do? And what can be the pros and cons from such a law? http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/russia-set-to-pass-strict-antigay-law-that-could-see-foreigners-deported-for-sexual-propaganda-8652840.html God bless. Is there anything wrong with this? I am not looking for an attack on Russia when it comes to other areas, for they are open game for that.

Is this morally acceptable for a country to do? And what can be the pros and cons from such a law?

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/wo...a-8652840.html

God bless. ]]> Social Justice shocktrooper http://forums.catholic.com/showthread.php?t=795618 Is is considered euthanasia if the person is dying? http://forums.catholic.com/showthread.php?t=795525&goto=newpost Tue, 11 Jun 2013 04:14:14 GMT Hi this is a touchy subject but i just wanted to know.

If a person is dying (in he hospital and are deteriorating fast) and you give tem morphine to numb the pain (purely to relieve them of the pain, not to induce death). Is it considered euthanasia if it puts the person into a coma and then they die?

Or is it only considered euthanasia if you wanted to give them morphine so that they would die?

I only ask because my parents had to make this decision with my nan who was in intense pain with a spreading viral infection and was dying so they decided to give her morphine to numb the pain but as a consequence it put her into a coma and then she died.

Is it morally acceptable to increase the painkillers not with the intention of killing the person but so they don't suffer while they are in fact dying? ]]> Social Justice james_neville http://forums.catholic.com/showthread.php?t=795525 Studies on Same-Sex Parenting http://forums.catholic.com/showthread.php?t=795073&goto=newpost Sun, 09 Jun 2013 15:35:36 GMT Dear friends, just a few days ago the Federal Constitutional Court (Bundesverfassungsgericht) of Germany imposed on the federal government the obligation to completely equate same-sex civil unions with the privileged union of Marriage in Tax Law. The wording of its decision, which argues the current situation was discriminatory and not in harmony with the constitution, suggests and allows for further future steps to be taken to redefine marriage in Germany. Now, as a result of the ruling, the Minister of labour and Social Affairs, Dr Ursula von der Leyen (conservative, CDU) has advocated for total equality of marriage and same-sex unions in Adoption Law. Just recently, the latter institution has been granted further rights on this. She says that her opinion came about by the fact she was not aware of an study suggesting that children did worse in same-sex parenting than by natural parenting, the latter not being her words. I have tried to find representative and scholarly... Dear friends,

just a few days ago the Federal Constitutional Court (Bundesverfassungsgericht) of Germany imposed on the federal government the obligation to completely equate same-sex civil unions with the privileged union of Marriage in Tax Law. The wording of its decision, which argues the current situation was discriminatory and not in harmony with the constitution, suggests and allows for further future steps to be taken to redefine marriage in Germany.

Now, as a result of the ruling, the Minister of labour and Social Affairs, Dr Ursula von der Leyen (conservative, CDU) has advocated for total equality of marriage and same-sex unions in Adoption Law. Just recently, the latter institution has been granted further rights on this. She says that her opinion came about by the fact she was not aware of an study suggesting that children did worse in same-sex parenting than by natural parenting, the latter not being her words.

I have tried to find representative and scholarly studies to refute this point to some friends of mine but couldn't really get on with it very well. The only things that came up where news articles claiming new studies showed the opposite.

Do you have any resources, both such studies and arguments for Natural Marriage, to help me with this? That would be great. Thanks! ]]> Social Justice CutlerB http://forums.catholic.com/showthread.php?t=795073 Legalized marijuana http://forums.catholic.com/showthread.php?t=794912&goto=newpost Sun, 09 Jun 2013 00:41:53 GMT I went to confession today and was asking a priest about legalized marijuana and whether or not it would be a mortal sin to smoke it in moderation as long as one didn't smoke it to the point of sacrificing reason (like we do wih alcohol). He seemed to be leaning toward "yes", but wasn't absolutely definitive and said he Church has no OFFICIAL position. His advice was to stay away.

I was absolved, but left unsure as to whether I would ever partake in a legal setting.

What do you think? Is it ok do smoke a small amount to relax in a legal setting, like we do with alcohol (it IS possible to do so without getting totally blasted, of course)?

And is my absolution affected because I didn't leave the confessional totally resolved never to do this in a legal setting? I wouldn't think so, since I don't personally think it would be a mortal sin, but it WOULD be going against the advice of a priest who clearly thinks it may be a mortal sin, so...maybe part of me wasn't fully resolved not to commit a mortal sin? Basically I left thinking that I would probably do it in a legal setting but that I would do more research on it. Now, obviously if the Church came out and specifically addressed marijuana as mortally sinful and I was determined to do it anyway, that would be a clear problem, but otherwise, is it just up to my own conscience? My absolution is good, right? :) sorry-I scruple sometimes in the confessional. ]]> Social Justice LaSainte http://forums.catholic.com/showthread.php?t=794912 Question about cells in relation to abortion http://forums.catholic.com/showthread.php?t=794844&goto=newpost Sat, 08 Jun 2013 16:00:00 GMT I'm hoping this is the correct forum for this question (or "questions")...

Usually when I come across people who are pro-abortion/pro-murder I am told that a human baby is not a "baby" until it is born. Therefore, it is just a "clump of cells" in mommy's womb, or it is just a "clump of cells" until it gets to the stage in development where it is considered "alive."

Now I am a physical scientist, not a biological scientist. But from what I remember from my entry-level biology courses in my undergrad years, cells are the smallest units of life that are actually considered "living things," ie "alive."

So, I'm confused.:confused: Essentially just by saying a baby is a "clump of cells" means that we are in fact, stating that they are "alive." Because cells after all, are classified as "living." If a "clump of cells" sitting in mommy's womb is not alive, then what is this "clump of cells?" Are the clumps sleeping? Are they considered "dead?" I am also by that definition, considered a "clump of cells." I certain exhibit all the characteristics of being "alive."...does this mean that therefore I am also "dead?"

What is the Catholic, moral theological/scientific(?) responses or answers to my questions? I feel like that I need to be able to give good, solid but Catholic answers to these questions, especially when I get people telling me "science says ___ about abortion." ]]> Social Justice Tous_Logous http://forums.catholic.com/showthread.php?t=794844 How Marriage Will Change http://forums.catholic.com/showthread.php?t=794769&goto=newpost Sat, 08 Jun 2013 04:31:06 GMT If, like me, you have wondered how the normalization of "gay marriage" will affect marriage, this article may interest you. It is a speculative prediction by Mark Regnerus who has been studying this subject for some time.

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The sexual permissiveness of men will emerge a winner in the contest of ideas as same-sex marital norms begin to shape the larger institution of marriage.
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Many libertarians and conservatives, including Britain’s Prime Minister David Cameron, assert that marriage is a conservative institution—which is true—one that will therefore function as such for those who enter it, whether gay or straight. While certainly the case for some, that claim is an unlikely future for many, not because gay or lesbian couples are liberal but because those in the driver’s seat of the contemporary mating market—men—are permissive. This, I predict, will be same-sex marriage’s signature effect on the institution—the institutionalization of monogamish as an acceptable marital trait. No, gay men can’t cause straight men to cheat. Instead, the legitimacy newly accorded their marital unions spells opportunity for men everywhere to bend the boundaries.
http://www.thepublicdiscourse.com/2013/06/10325/ ]]> Social Justice Bubba Switzler http://forums.catholic.com/showthread.php?t=794769 Matthew 23:30 http://forums.catholic.com/showthread.php?t=794756&goto=newpost Sat, 08 Jun 2013 03:00:41 GMT 30 and you say, ‘If we had lived in the days of our ancestors, we would not have joined them in shedding the prophets’ blood.’ 31 Thus you bear witness against yourselves that you are the children of those who murdered the prophets; 32 now fill up what your ancestors measured out! Is there a social justice application for this verse? Please exlain:confused: 30 and you say, ‘If we had lived in the days of our ancestors, we would not have joined them in shedding the prophets’ blood.’ 31 Thus you bear witness against yourselves that you are the children of those who murdered the prophets; 32 now fill up what your ancestors measured out!

Is there a social justice application for this verse? Please exlain:confused: ]]> Social Justice Michael19682 http://forums.catholic.com/showthread.php?t=794756 Pro choice but changed mind http://forums.catholic.com/showthread.php?t=794637&goto=newpost Fri, 07 Jun 2013 16:59:35 GMT I have a friend who is a cradle Catholic, but until recently was pro-choice. She fell for the usual stuff that some politicians say, about touting "Freedom" and how it wasn't the government's place to tell people what to do, especially when those people may not be Christian. (I think inwardly, she was always uncomfortable with it and never would have had one herself). Blessedly, she has, however, changed her mind and now embraces the pro-life position. Yay, right? Her question to me however, was does she need to go to confession specifically to confess the fact that she used to be pro-choice? I wasn't sure if a "feeling" or "opinion" could actually be a mortal sin. If so, does she need to go right away, or can this be mentioned the next time she goes? To be clear, she says has never had an abortion or participated in one or helped anyone have one (I have no reason to not believe her). ]]> Social Justice Rachel126 http://forums.catholic.com/showthread.php?t=794637 <![CDATA[Pope says 'throwaway culture' harms environment and life [CNAU]]]> http://forums.catholic.com/showthread.php?t=794418&goto=newpost Thu, 06 Jun 2013 22:10:00 GMT Jun 6, '13 6:00 am
Pope Francis has blamed widespread degradation of the natural environment and disregard for human life on an increasingly common "throwaway culture" that places no value on the needs of others, reports the Catholic News Service.

More... ]]> Social Justice Catholic Press http://forums.catholic.com/showthread.php?t=794418 <![CDATA[What exactly is people's beef with feminism here?]]> http://forums.catholic.com/showthread.php?t=794404&goto=newpost Thu, 06 Jun 2013 20:51:35 GMT I'm usually a lurker here on CAF, but I keep seeing hostile comments toward feminism that really confuse me. People here scowl at the term like it's synonymous with "relativism" and "free love". What about feminism is evil, exactly?

I assume that the denouncers here are working with a different definition of "feminism" than my own, because I thought that, in general, feminism is the idea that women should be treated fairly in society, in the workplace, in media, in matters of law, etc. Wasn't it the Feminist Movement that gave women the right to vote here in America? Isn't that a good thing? I mean, I'm sure none of us here would argue that women DON'T deserve to be treated fairly.

Now, I know that everyone thinks of feminism differently.. I know that a lot of people who support abortion do so in the name of feminism, and I personally have a very self-proclaimed feminist friend who's a borderline mysandrist. I acknowledge that because the definition of feminism is so vague, it can attract some negative connotations. But I always figured that the basic idea was noble, even if some people go about it the wrong way.

Because there are still areas of life where women are not given the respect they deserve, I think feminism still needs to be a thing. We've come a long way, but women are still sexually harassed, still marginalized in our films and advertisements, still earn less in the workplace than their male counterparts of the same job title. Feminism needs to be properly ordered toward what we as Catholics know is good, but we do need to work toward a society where women are given their due respect.

But I'd like to hear your guys' side of the story.

P.S. For context's sake, I am a 22 year old female. ]]> Social Justice Skwrl http://forums.catholic.com/showthread.php?t=794404 MN Plays Pretend With Marriage - The Right Side of History surely can’t be found on the Wrong Side of Reality. http://forums.catholic.com/showthread.php?t=794350&goto=newpost Thu, 06 Jun 2013 18:12:46 GMT "One of the clearest things about Minnesota’s new gay-marriage law is that it requires Minnesotans to “play pretend” — to embrace obvious fictions as reality."

http://www.startribune.com/opinion/c...209736121.html ]]> Social Justice westNwewaxation http://forums.catholic.com/showthread.php?t=794350 The Marriage Debate - The conjugal view of marriage leaves us just as free for companionship. http://forums.catholic.com/showthread.php?t=794349&goto=newpost Thu, 06 Jun 2013 18:07:42 GMT "The marriage debate is not about homosexuality, but about marriage. Upholding the truth about marriage doesn’t deprive anyone of the joys of companionship, as many supporters of same-sex marriage suppose."
~ Sherif Girgis, Ryan T. Anderson, and Robert P. George
http://www.nationalreview.com/articl...obert-p-george

printable link here:
http://www.nationalreview.com/node/350026/print ]]> Social Justice westNwewaxation http://forums.catholic.com/showthread.php?t=794349 Romania might be moving toward enshrining a Christian understanding of family in constitution http://forums.catholic.com/showthread.php?t=794190&goto=newpost Thu, 06 Jun 2013 03:22:54 GMT I just read this article:
http://www.hirado.hu/Hirek/2013/06/0...fi_es_egy.aspx
couldn't find it in English anywhere. Some translating tool should give you an idea of what it is talking about. The main point is that on Wednesday, June 5, 2013 a parliamentary committee that is preparing a constitutional amendment in Romania has incorporated into the draft text of an amendment that the family is constituted by "the marriage of a man and a woman."
The current constitution speaks about family being founded by the voluntary determination both spouses.
The clarification, which would make virtually impossible any subsequent approval of gay marriage, was built into the draft of the amendment to the constitution at the proposal of the Romanian Orthodox Church.

Well, I wish this proposed draft would be approved and incorporated in the Romanian Constitution. ]]> Social Justice nagyszakall http://forums.catholic.com/showthread.php?t=794190 Why would anybody condemn the Boy Scouts simply because they allow openly gay boys? http://forums.catholic.com/showthread.php?t=794155&goto=newpost Thu, 06 Jun 2013 00:43:28 GMT I mean, openly gay boys are allowed in the Catholic Church and nobody complains in the least. I mean, openly gay boys are allowed in the Catholic Church and nobody complains in the least. ]]> Social Justice Robert Sock http://forums.catholic.com/showthread.php?t=794155 <![CDATA[Pope strongly condemns 'culture of waste' [CWN]]]> http://forums.catholic.com/showthread.php?t=794085&goto=newpost Wed, 05 Jun 2013 20:20:02 GMT Pope Francis condemned a "culture of waste" at his weekly public audience on June 5.Noting that the UN was observing World Environment Day, the Pope spoke on the proper stewardship of ...

More... ]]> Social Justice CWN News http://forums.catholic.com/showthread.php?t=794085 Why is Catholic Charities USA Allowing a Dissident Priest to Keynote? http://forums.catholic.com/showthread.php?t=793853&goto=newpost Wed, 05 Jun 2013 04:39:41 GMT First, Catholic Charities USA is found to have a former board member who is a lobbyist for Planned Parenthood. Then, Catholic Charities is found to be a dues-paying member and on the board of an organization that lobbied Congress to maintain funding for Planned Parenthood. Now, CCUSA is having a dissident Catholic Priest keynote its annual gathering. Who is leading this ship???? http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/catholic-charities-usa-invites-pro-gay-marriage-priest-to-keynote-annual-ga First, Catholic Charities USA is found to have a former board member who is a lobbyist for Planned Parenthood. Then, Catholic Charities is found to be a dues-paying member and on the board of an organization that lobbied Congress to maintain funding for Planned Parenthood.

Now, CCUSA is having a dissident Catholic Priest keynote its annual gathering. Who is leading this ship????

http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/cat...note-annual-ga ]]> Social Justice MHichborn http://forums.catholic.com/showthread.php?t=793853 Just war and proportionalism http://forums.catholic.com/showthread.php?t=793643&goto=newpost Tue, 04 Jun 2013 16:39:24 GMT I've been reading up on just war doctrine, and I'm really struggling to understand it. I'm not a pacifist: I understand that sometimes war is necessary. But the Church has taught over and over that just because something is "necessary" for the greater good doesn't mean we can do it. Killing one innocent man (however you define that) to save a city full of people is wrong. But killing a soldier to save a city is commendable. What is it about the context of war that makes these situations so different? ]]> Social Justice Hanna_C http://forums.catholic.com/showthread.php?t=793643 Catholic Capitalism http://forums.catholic.com/showthread.php?t=793472&goto=newpost Tue, 04 Jun 2013 03:09:42 GMT How did Capitalism differ from (very broadly) when Europe was most Catholic (1200 or so) to now? How did Capitalism differ from (very broadly) when Europe was most Catholic (1200 or so) to now? ]]> Social Justice aball1035 http://forums.catholic.com/showthread.php?t=793472 <![CDATA[I'm a pro choice catholic, and this is why]]> http://forums.catholic.com/showthread.php?t=793443&goto=newpost Tue, 04 Jun 2013 01:27:35 GMT Hello everyone.
Before I begin, I will talk about the first trimester abortion, not the late term, I don't know what to think about that. also some material here may offend some, I apologize if it does

I am here to say that I am a pro choice catholic. I'm also a teenager. Now probably many of you guys might not think that I am a catholic and although I still do consider myself as a catholic I would also like to know if there is something wrong with my views.

Now I felt I had to say this after watching this video, and I was disgusted by the pro life protesters ways of spreading their word. Contains graphic material, don't watch if sensitive

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WMAZX6HRZT4

I was utterly disgusted how they would parade signs showing pictures of first trimester fetuses in front of kids and it is disgusting to everyone and it really does not give Catholics a good image. Its very humiliating. I also disagree with a few pro life arguments.

I do think abortion is definitely not good for anyone and its an extremely difficult decision but its not correct to have our politicians do pass laws that ban abortion completely. There are situations in which an abortion could be used to save a mother's life. What about rape victims? Should they support a child they don't want? I would not want to take care of a dog that I don't want, let alone a child that requires many times more responsibility. Should I keep a child that I can't afford, I don't want to let it starve to death, since there are some parents who simply cannot, no matter what, provide food and shelter for kids.

I have a few rebuttals to other arguments, such as the one that every fetus has a potential for life. Every sperm cell has the ability to make a child once combined with an egg. Is it considered geonicide if millions of sperm cells die? they have potential to create a life. Is a chimera, which when two fertilized cells combine, the result of another child killing the other?

What do you think? I still believe and worship the same God you do and defend the faith as well. Thank you ]]> Social Justice Sneaglebob http://forums.catholic.com/showthread.php?t=793443 <![CDATA[10 things the bible doesn't say]]> http://forums.catholic.com/showthread.php?t=793220&goto=newpost Mon, 03 Jun 2013 12:44:27 GMT "The test of true religion is that you forcibly take money from others and give it to the poor, the orphan and the widow."

"Judge not unless ye be tolerant."

"For I was hungry and you sent me to the government, I was thirsty and you sent me to the government, I was a stranger and you sent me to government housing, I was naked and you sent me to the government, I was sick and you sent me to the government, I was in prison and you sent me a government social worker."

"Go and sin only when you can find an excuse for it."

"Love does not reject wrongdoing, but rejoices with tolerance."

"I am not the only way, nor the only truth, nor the only life."

"Be fruitful and multiply, unless it is inconvenient. Then thou shalt kill."

"Therefore a man or woman shall leave his/her father and his/her mother and hold fast to either his/her man or woman, and they shall become one flesh."

"Thou shalt send thy father and they mother to a government bureaucrat to see whether they shall receive health care or die, so that your days may be long without them burdening you."

"Thou shalt not bear false witness except when trying to put down those rascally republicans." ]]> Social Justice Muze http://forums.catholic.com/showthread.php?t=793220 <![CDATA[I'm Gay, but I'm Not Switching to a Church That Supports Gay Marriage]]> http://forums.catholic.com/showthread.php?t=793002&goto=newpost Sun, 02 Jun 2013 16:41:58 GMT Interesting article on a complex topic. http://www.theatlantic.com/sexes/archive/13/05/im-gay-but-im-not-switching-to-a-church-that-supports-gay-marriage/276383/ Interesting article on a complex topic.
http://www.theatlantic.com/sexes/arc...rriage/276383/ ]]> Social Justice westNwewaxation http://forums.catholic.com/showthread.php?t=793002 Homosexuality is not a sin? http://forums.catholic.com/showthread.php?t=792925&goto=newpost Sun, 02 Jun 2013 07:03:12 GMT Chatting online and came across this in a discussion.
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Catholicism teaches that homosexuality is not a sin. It is a trial for people, and they should be treated with respect and not discriminated against. The sin is the act of homosexual intercourse, just as fornication is a sin. What makes homosexual intercourse sinful is that the two men can not be married, so all intercourse would be fornication.
What he is saying is that homosexuality isn't a sin because of homosexuality, but because it is fornication ]]> Social Justice latin_rite http://forums.catholic.com/showthread.php?t=792925 Hypocrisy and Relativism http://forums.catholic.com/showthread.php?t=792827&goto=newpost Sat, 01 Jun 2013 19:56:05 GMT I read this article today (http://www.nola.com/politics/index.s...state_gov.html). I don't understand why people who support gay marriage complain about the Catholic Church. If they think they are right and the Church is wrong then logically it follows that eventually the Catholic Church will cease to exist and they can do what ever makes them happy unabated. Why do they insist on writing diatribes about how the Church "must change" etc etc? Heck if I saw something I so disapproved of falling apart I really wouldn't care. Maybe that's cynical of me but really. What do all of you think? ]]> Social Justice FaithChem http://forums.catholic.com/showthread.php?t=792827 Prayer to St. Josephine http://forums.catholic.com/showthread.php?t=792623&goto=newpost Fri, 31 May 2013 23:32:05 GMT Dear St. Josephine, You know well the torment victims of human trafficking endure to this day. Beloved saint, you know restitution from Heaven, but we are still on earth. Advocate for us, strengthen and empower us, that you may see justice served in this world along with us and we may rejoicetogether. St. Josephine, we will honor you in every victory we accomplish, and make your name and your earthly strength and endurance known to others. Now in Heaven, you are blessed with power far above any earthly power. Accompany us and help us, make us win this fight against human trafficking, particularly in the U.S. Dear St. Josephine,
You know well the torment victims of human trafficking endure to this day. Beloved saint, you know restitution from Heaven, but we are still on earth. Advocate for us, strengthen and empower us, that you may see justice served in this world along with us and we may rejoicetogether.
St. Josephine, we will honor you in every victory we accomplish, and make your name and your earthly strength and endurance known to others.
Now in Heaven, you are blessed with power far above any earthly power. Accompany us and help us, make us win this fight against human trafficking, particularly in the U.S. ]]> Social Justice wumpiesmommy http://forums.catholic.com/showthread.php?t=792623 Please pray for swift justice for victims of DSS http://forums.catholic.com/showthread.php?t=792620&goto=newpost Fri, 31 May 2013 23:18:55 GMT We're about to take DSS/CPS back to court to fight for natural rights and justice. As the juvenile/family court system is so corrupt I'll be representing our family Sui Juris without an attorney. I can do it but the whole ordeal is a nightmare, just having to face our tormentors again and again in court.
Please pray to the Lord and the saints for a swift victory and justice for innocent parents and children terrorized by DSS/CPS in the U.S., or please mention us in a Rosary petition. ]]> Social Justice wumpiesmommy http://forums.catholic.com/showthread.php?t=792620