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Originally Posted by Mary LA
Just popping in to see if anything new had been posted.
Right now I'm busy with Edith Stein's On the Problem of Empathy. An extraordinary woman and Carmelite.
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I glean a lot from the Carmelite saints! I have the book "Edith Stein, Essential Writings", writings selected by John Sullivan, O.C.D.
Our community just finished a study on Blessed Elizabeth of the Trinity. Very inspiring! We read an assigned chapter for homework, and then at the monthly meeting a member led the study and we had discussion and sharing together.
Welcome Mary! 
In Carmel,
Dorothy
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"I understood that if the Church had a body composed of different members, the most necessary and most noble of all could not be lacking to it, and so I understood that the Church had a Heart and that this Heart was burning with love. I understood it was love alone that made the Church's members act... I understood that love comprised all vocations, that love was everything, that it embraced all times and all places- in a word, that it was eternal! My vocation is love!"
Saint Therese of the Child Jesus-Holy Face
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Hello, Ijust joined group and found Sister Helena website. I find her vidios very inspirational. Only seen the one on her fav. pics of Mary and it really moved me.Anyone else seen it? 
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Hi! I am new to Catholic Answers and this group. I have also been studying with one of the Carmelite 3rd Order groups. Such a lot to learn. So how does this group work?
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This is an interesting site for those who would like to learn more about Carmelite life and spirituality. It's called "Carmel Stream" and it is new on the net. Check it out and let me know what you think.
http://www.carmelstream.com/
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Welcome! I am looking forward to your contributions!
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Welcome to our group! To answer your question: No, the scapular is not part of the Rule of Carmel. The brown scapular is a miniature form of the Carmelite habit and has come to the Order through the initiative of Mary, Mother of Carmel. The deeper meaning of the scapular is to be "clothed in the habit of Mary" so that we commit ourselves to imitating her virtues and life of total discipleship. The scapular also holds an affective or tender devotion to our Lady. By wearing the scapular, we make a statement that we love Mary, that we place our confidence in her motherly intercession, and that we give ourselves to Jesus through her. The scapular and the rosary are two sides of the same coin.
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Originally Posted by Gertabelle
: St. Therese has been my best guide in prayer, though. Her comments about making more acts of faith in the last year or so of her life than all the rest of her life has been a great help to me  )
But it's not just about prayer for prayer's sake. Therese's example of life -- of offering every little thing to Christ with love -- has been a great example of how to live my life as a prayer. And when I sin (which is often, often, often) and I am tempted away from prayer through my guilt, I remember Therese's little way of simply staying humble and small in Jesus' arms. How I wish I could be too little to sin! And when I am particularly lonely in my single motherhood, I try to remember that what my heart is actually longing for is the Love of God, and I try to open my heart to being filled by Christ's merciful love, rather than seeking empty fulfillment in the things of this world.
As for regular prayer, though -- I mean the Rosary, or silent contemplation, or the divine office -- I am having a particularly hard time being consistent in my daily life. But the Teresa's are always there to help me: St. Teresa of Avila, St. Therese of Lisieux, and Blessed Mother Teresa, and now St. Teresa of the Andes (a newly found favorite of mine )
Not sure if I answered your question, but there it is.
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Sigh...I still can not figure out how to do the multi quote thing. This is beautiful thank you for posting.
I have never had a problem with prayer as part of my daily on going conversation with God but it was Catholic devotion and prayer that was one of the things that pulled me along the way home.
One of the most powerful experiences though happened before I entered the Church . I did the Divine Mercy novena (my first ever novena) at the end of the first serious lenten fast that I had ever done ( I gave up tea and as an English woman that was like a smoker going cold turkey). I was really just doing this all with a child like trust throwing myself completely at the feet of Jesus trusting in his Mercy and love for me. At the end of it I realized that I had never asked for anything for myself so I did , I boldly asked for forgiveness of sin and for healing of my Graves disease. As I knelt I had an image come into my mind of me next to Mary at the foot of the cross. The Lord's blood washed over me and as it did I rose clothed in a white robe. The scriptures in Revelation came to my mind but I can never quote verses. Yes I was healed physically from a chronic disease but more importantly I was healed from spiritual sin. As a Catholic now I realize that people will have a problem with this statement but let us not forget the Church's teaching on Baptisim of desire. It is possible that our Lord knew that when I did fully enter the Church that I would then tell the priest all the sins that i knew the Lord had forgiven on that day. Before my 1st reconciliation I did struggle with whether or not to mention these to the priest because of the notion that if I were to bring them up I would be offending God, but through prayer discerned that I should mention them out of obedience and as almost a pledge of my allegiance to the Catholic Church and everything that Jesus ordained for His Church to be.
That whole period was a period of intense prayer anyway because of my husband's deployment to Iraq.
Sometimes at the end of the day I was so exhausted and my mind so numb with stress, all I could do was to pray the Our Father and would fall asleep doing so . I would ask the holy Spirit to finish the prayer for me and to pray the prayers that were on my heart and that I should be praying. That was when I learn't to appreciate 'rote' prayer.
Now back to my reason for quoting the poster. I have recently fallen in love with the Little Flower and her line in her Story which I recently read that she did not memorize great prayers but rather just told God simply as it is like a child....which brings me back to my favorite method of prayer, how I have always prayed on the whole ..as a part of a simple daily conversation.
I will add however that as a little mortification, maybe a little family witness, I have taken to kneeling at my bedside to pray in the morning and evening at this time I hold my children up to the Lord who loves them more than I ever could and ask the Lord to put an army of Angels around my teenage children to defend them from satan and his demons who would have the ruin of their souls and ask for various Saints to guide them in the way that they should go . I often include other family members and friends of the kids . This is when I ask the Lord to forgive what I did or failed to do and help me to keep on the narrow path the next day.
I have found that if I pray over the children in this way ,then things are just smoother in their lives, every now and again I have confirmation of this when I might jump put of bed and forget to pray because I am late or something else happened.
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Great book I recommend:
Spanish Christian Cabala: The Works of Luis De Leon, Santa Teresa De Jesus, and San Juan De La Cruz, by Professor Catherine Swietlicki
This books shows how the Jewish family roots of Santa Teresa De Jesus and San Juan De La Cruz strongly influenced the writings. I think it makes the meanings of their writings much more clear. It provides more information about the likely origin of much of the imagery in their writings, such things as the "Castle" and the "Mansions."
This book is written by a professor. But, to me, it was not just academic knowledge, but really helped me feel closer to God and these great Carmelite saints.
I got the book through Inter-Library Loan at a public library.
It also for sale on Amazon.
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Climbing Mount Carmel
A group for those who are interested in Carmelite Spirituality, History, Life and Saints. We hope to build a strong Carmelite friendship on the web!