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  1. Stylteralmaldo
    Nov 14, '09 6:43 am
    Stylteralmaldo
    This might answer your question:

    Early Historical Documents on Jesus Christ:

    http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/08375a.htm
  2. Lujack
    Nov 9, '09 11:06 pm
    Lujack
    I would agree that Jesuits are not so liberal as people say they are, but I also think that its the nature of the order that its members push the boundaries sometimes. The same facets of the order that produce brilliant apologetics and countless converts produce individual members who take a point too far.
  3. aithorette
    Oct 28, '09 7:18 am
    aithorette
    It helps a lot. Thank you!
    Thread: First?
  4. Tomb54
    Oct 27, '09 7:36 pm
    Tomb54
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by aithorette View Post
    I have been reading responses to this thread, and it has helped me a lot to understand this doctrine. I am a new Catholic (April of this year), and I have SO much to learn!

    Thank you!

    Julie
    Welcome home and even us life long Catholics still have alot to learn. Some more than others. I find many converts know the faith better than many cradle catholics.
  5. human being
    Oct 15, '09 12:40 pm
    human being
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by banjo View Post
    This link won't answer your question but it might provide you with some indications as to the origins of guilds.
    http://www.harrisantiques.com/History_of_Guilds.php
    Thanks that's a nice report.
  6. ccolley2
    Sep 26, '09 11:57 pm
    ccolley2
    There is a great book called "the Faith of the Early Fathers" by William A. Jurgens, ISBN #0-8146-0432-3
    From the Index I got...

    Tertullian -
    #381 - Church was built upon Peter....
    #387 - chiding a church for trying to grab the Power of the Keys to the kingdom.
    Clement of Alexandria
    #436 -Savior paid tribute to him by choosing him to be pre-eminent among the Apostles...
    Origen:
    #479A - Peter, upon whom is built the Church of Christ....left only one Epistle of acknowledged genuinity.
    #489 Origen calls Peter "the great foundation of the Church...."
    St.Cyprian of Carthage
    #555-556 These two paragraphs are all about Peter's primacy.
    #571 In a letter to the lapsed, quotes "you are Peter and upon this Rock, I will build my church..."
    #592a "...but Peter whom he chose first and upon which he built his church.
    Aphraates the Persian Sage
    #693a - "...and Jesus handed over the keys to Simon."
    St. Ephraim
    #706- "Simon, my follower, I have made you the foundation of the Holy Church. I betimes called you Peter because you will support all its buildings.
    St. Cyril of Jerusalem
    #810 "...Peter, the first and foremost of the Apostles..."
    #835a - "Peter both the Chief of the Apostles and the Keeper of the Kingdom...."

    There are many more examples from the text, but this should be fine for right now!
    God bless,
    CC
  7. banjo
    Sep 13, '09 10:13 am
    banjo
    "Stephen II (March 23-27, 752) When Zachary died, the priest Stephen was unanimously elected pope. But a few days later, before he could be consecrated, he died of a stroke.....Because of the brevity of his pontificate, Stephen has been a bit of a problem for accounting popes named Stephen; some lists do not include him." A History of the Popes; Charles A. Coulombe; MJF Books, NY;2003
  8. Tomb54
    Sep 12, '09 7:10 pm
    Tomb54
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by lawanda View Post
    hi everyone, i am new here this is my first post so I hope I am posting correctly and in the right area please let me know if i am incorrect.

    I have a question that I am need of answers too, my first question involve a church that is closing down. that priest will be our new priest at my historic church. and his congregation will come over as well, in the mean while our beloved priest has been sent to another church, we are all very sad to see him go and many of our parishoners are leaving to join him in this other smaller church.

    I was told that this sunday the new priest will do a "Unblessing" at his church to close it down.?

    also I was told that our "historic " church had an altar change. they took the old altar out and removed the relic. no one knew who the relic was? they could not identify the saint. so when they put in the new altar they did not put the relic back in. so our "historic " church has no relic burried in it.

    my questions are: 1. how do they UNBLESS a church?? if that is what it is called and why?

    2. Isn't it a rule that when a church is dedicated a relic of a saint is put in the church? do all catholic churches have relics or only the older ones. I was told they stopped requiring that of catholic churches . that dissapointed me to know that our church has no relic.

    3. where can I find more information about relics in the church?

    thanks for answering .....I hope I did this right.
    Not all will see this post so it would have been better on the normal forum (make new topic I think) or to ask an apologist (sp). I am not sure how you unbless a church but I am fairly sure each Church as a relic build into the center of the alter and this must be removed. Sorry can't help much more then this since I have never read up or heard of it before.
  9. JesuXPIPassio
    Aug 30, '09 7:27 pm
    JesuXPIPassio
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by dexegete View Post
    can anybody enlighten me about the Eastern Orthodox Church? Who are they? Are they Catholics? If yes, are they in communion with Rome? What is their history? Thanks so much and God bless!
    Sorry, but I'm gonna throw in a little bit more confusion and mention that there are also "Oriental Orthodox" Churches. Those are Churches that are not much different from Eastern Orthodox Churches in that they have genuine Apostolic Succession. If you've ever heard of the Coptic Church, they're part of the Oriental Orthodox communion.

    Diffferences between the Orthodox Churches and the protestants is that the Orthodox do have full sacraments as someone mentioned earlier; this means their priests are real priests, their Eucharist is real Eucharist (though celebrated a little different). We recognise the Orthodox to be genuine Churches because they retain Apostolic Succession (their Bishops are consecrated by other Bishops in an unbroken line back to the Apostles, just like us Catholics); protestants do not have that and aren't technically churches, but "ecclesial communities." Catholics (even many experts, like professors) tend to call the protestant groups "Churches," but Vatican documents don't do that.

    While it is possible that we will be reunited with the Orthodox Churches (and that will definitely happen eventually), there is not the same possibility with protestants, except for cases where groups of them decide to convert. The most we can hope for with them is just dialogue and fraternal brotherhood in that we are all Christians, but we're never going to be able to merge with them en masse.

    Quick question for August -- I never really understood, since the excommunications were lifted, why doesn't that automatically mean reunion?
  10. balric99
    Aug 5, '09 8:54 pm
    balric99
    Where does it show that through devotion of the blessed virgin mary that made rape a crime. You don't see that there is a time period of when this became truth, it is quoted in Duet 22: 13 - 30. But you do know that this law is for all women and daughters then just Mary alone.

    Crimes against the Person. These crimes included murder, abortion, rape, and kidnapping. Each carried the death penalty. Let us take a close look at the law concerning rape, because it sheds light on the Bible’s understanding of woman.
    If a woman was attacked and did not cry out for help, her attacker was not guilty of rape. But if she sought help without being able to get it and if she was married or betrothed, her attacker was put to death. If an unmarried woman was raped, the attacker had to pay a dowry price (50 shekels of silver)—in fact, he often had to pay a double dowry to make her a more desirable bride. The woman might decide to marry her attacker, or her father might decide the two should get married. In that case, the attacker paid 50 shekels to her father and married the girl; and the law never allowed him to divorce her (Deut. 22:23–30). This protected the right of the woman
    Packer, J., Tenney, M. C., & White, W. 1997, c1995. Nelson's illustrated manners and customs of the Bible (389). Thomas Nelson: Nashville

    By this law the Virgin Mary was in danger of being made a public example, that is, of being stoned to death, but that God, by an angel, cleared the matter to Joseph. 2. If she were forced, and never consented, he that committed the rape was to be put to death, but the damsel was to be acquitted,
    Henry, M. 1996, c1991. Matthew Henry's commentary on the whole Bible : Complete and unabridged in one volume (Dt 22:13). Hendrickson: Peabody

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  2. johnXXIII
    Oct 16, '09 12:19 am
    johnXXIII
  3. johnXXIII
    Sep 6, '09 9:51 pm
    johnXXIII
    BENEDICT XVI ATTENDS SCREENING OF A FILM ON ST. AUGUSTINE



    VATICAN CITY, 3 SEP 2009 (VIS) - Yesterday afternoon in the "Sala degli Svizzeri" of the Apostolic Palace at Castelgandolfo, Benedict XVI attended the screening of an abbreviated version of the film "St. Augustine", an Italian, German, Polish co-production. The film was made by Lux Vide/Rai Fiction, Bayerischer Rundfunk/Tellux Film, Eos Entertainment Rai Trade and Grupa Filmova Baltmedia. It was directed by Christian Duguay.



    At the end of the screening, the Holy Father expressed his thanks to everyone involved in the project and pronounced some brief remarks. "I feel this film to be a spiritual journey in a spiritual continent, far distant from us yet at the same time very near because the human drama remains the same", he said.



    "We have seen how, in a context far removed from our own, the reality of human life is represented with all its problems, sadness and failures, just as we have seen how, in the end, Truth is stronger than any obstacle and seeks out man. This is the great hope that remains at the end: we alone cannot seek out Truth, but Truth, which is a Person, seeks out us. Seen from the outside, the life of St. Augustine seems to finish tragically as the world for which and in which he lived comes to an end. But as was made clear in this film, his message remains and, even as the world changes, it endures because it comes from Truth and guides us to Charity, which is our shared destination.



    "Thank you to everyone", he added in conclusion. "Let us hope that many people, watching this human drama, may be sought out by Truth and so discover Charity".

    OP/ST. AUGUSTINE FILM/... VIS 090903 (300)
  4. johnXXIII
    Aug 30, '09 12:04 am
    johnXXIII
    God bless us everyone
  5. johnXXIII
    Aug 30, '09 12:02 am
    johnXXIII
    The papacy 1,000 years ago
    by Richard McBrien on Jun. 22, 2009

    * Essays in Theology

    History is the great debunker of pre-conceived ideas that are rooted in ideology and false piety rather than in reality.

    Without a grasp of history, and of the history of the papacy in particular, many Catholics are led to believe that the papacy must always have been as they have known it, and most popes have been just like the popes of the 20th and 21st centuries: Pius XI, Pius XII, John XXIII, Paul VI, John Paul I, John Paul II, and Benedict XVI.

    The pontificates of a thousand years ago, however, were very different from any that we have experienced in our lifetimes.

    First of all, we do not even know how the pontificate of John XVIII ended in 1009. Did the pope abdicate before his death and, if so, was it under duress?

    If he did abdicate, what did he do after he left the papacy? No living Catholic has ever seen that happen. Indeed, for those who tend to look upon popes as quasi-divine figures, papal resignation is simply unthinkable. Once a pope, always a pope -- until death. No?

    According to some historical sources, Pope John XVIII most likely did abdicate, or resign, the papacy shortly before his death, and then became a monk at the basilica of St. Paul's Outside the Walls in Rome, where he is buried.

    Otherwise, little is known of his pontificate. We do know that during this period of church history, from 1003 to 1012, one of the powerful Roman families, the Crescentiis, ruled the city and dominated the papacy itself.

    From 999 to 1003 the first French pope, Sylvester II, was seated on the Chair of Peter. A dedicated reformer, he denounced simony (the buying and selling of spiritual goods and church offices), nepotism (favoring members of one's own family for appointment to church offices), and violations of clerical celibacy. He also insisted on the free election of abbots by monks.

    But in February of 1001 the Roman citizenry revolted against foreign domination. The French pope and his German friend and ally, Emperor Otto III, were forced to leave the city.

    Otto died the following year, before he could reestablish his authority in Rome. The new head of the Crescentii family, John Crescentius II, allowed the French pope to return, but only on condition that he limit himself to spiritual functions. The pope died less than a year later.

    A relative of the dominant Crescentii family succeeded Sylvester II in an election that was undoubtedly engineered by the family's leader. What was also remarkable, besides the decisive influence of a layman on a papal election, is the fact that the new pope, John XVII, had been married before ordination to the priesthood and was the father of three sons.

    The pope's only notable recorded papal act was his authorizing of Polish missionaries to work among the Slavs. It is not even known how he died or how old he was at the time of death.

    Although John XVII was pope for less than six months, his pontificate was not among the shortest in history. For purposes of comparison, Pope John Paul I was in office for just 33 days in 1978, yet his was only the 11th briefest pontificate in history.

    John XVIII was cardinal-priest of St. Peter's Basilica when elected to the papacy on Christmas Day 1003 (the Vatican's official list begins his pontificate in January 1004). None of his accomplishments as pope have had any lasting historical significance beyond certain locales.

    Thus, he restored the diocese of Merseburg in Germany, which Pope Benedict VII had sup-pressed and divided at the request of Emperor Otto II, and John XVIII also approved the establishment of the diocese of Bamberg in Bavaria.

    He summoned the bishops of Sens and Orleans to Rome under pain of excommunication because of their threats to the papal privileges granted to the abbey of Fleury.

    There is some evidence that relations between Rome and Constantinople improved during John XVIII's pontificate, probably because of the pro-Byzantine sympathies of the Crescentii family. The pope's name was restored to the list of those to be prayed for at Mass in Constantinople.

    However, the thaw was relatively brief. Less than 50 years later, the formal schism between East and West began, and remains in effect to this day.

    John XVIII was probably forced to resign in late June or early July, 1009 -- almost exactly one thousand years ago.

    His successor was Sergius IV who, because his baptismal name was Peter, changed it upon election. Taking a new papal name was still not the custom.

    Alas, Sergius IV was murdered.
  6. johnXXIII
    Aug 23, '09 12:51 am
    johnXXIII
    Sermon

    "It is called the Lord’s birthday when the wisdom of God presented itself to us as an infant, and the Word of God without words uttered the flesh as its voice. And yet the hidden divinity was signified to the wise men by the evidence of the heavens, and announced to the shepherds by the voice of an angel. And so we celebrate this day every year with great solemnity, because on it was fulfilled the prophecy which said,

    Truth has sprung from the earth, and Justice has looked forth from heaven (Ps 84:12). Truth, which is the bosom of the Father (Jn 1:18), has sprung from the earth, in order also to be in the bosom of his mother. Truth, by which the world is held together, has sprung from the earth, in order to be carried in a woman’s arms. Truth, on which the bliss of the angels is incorruptibly nourished, has sprung from the earth, in order to be suckled at breasts of flesh. Truth, which heaven is not big enough to hold, has sprung from the earth, in order to be placed in a manger.

    For whose benefit did such sublimity come in such humility? Certainly for not of his own; but, if we are believers, totally for ours. Wake up, mankind, for your God became man!

    Rise, you that sleep, and arise from the dead, and Christ will enlighten you (Eph 5:14). For you, I repeat, God became man. You would have died for eternity, unless he had been born in time. You would never be set free from the flesh of sin, unless he had taken to himself the likeness of the flesh of sin (Rom 8:3). You would have been in the grip of everlasting misery, had it not been for the occurrence of this great mercy. You would not have come back to life, unless he had adjusted himself to your death. You would have faded away, if he had not come to the rescue. You would have perished, if he had not come."

    St. Augustine, Sermon 185, 1

    Prayer

    O Lord God, give us your Christ, let us know your Christ, let us see your Christ, not as those who crucified him saw him, but as the angels saw him and rejoiced. – Comm. on Psalm 84, 9.
  7. johnXXIII
    Aug 22, '09 8:57 pm
    johnXXIII
    The Glory of Mary
    by Blessed John XXIII
    Cardinal, at the Feast of the Assumption, Venice, August 1956

    From your throne of glory, O Queen, O Mother, turn your merciful gaze on those of us who are unhapppy, obtain forgiveness for us ; may the justice of your Son turn to mercy for us all. May our trust in you be equal to our hope and strengthen the good principles of Christian life which must be inspired by warm and sincere charity.
    O Mary, O Mary, Four precious gifts we ask of you, we, the first Patriarch, St Mark, and his very humble successor, both united in a prayer that is a sorrowful and tearful request for your Venice.
    First of all we pray for purity of mind, a clear understanding of doctrine which is a gift of the intellect; then modesty of body.
    O Mary, you see what a scandal of shameless nakedness of men and women we have around us., profaning the churches, the squares and the ways of the city, for the corruption of innocent youth and the perversion of our people, with the threat of terrible punishment to follow.
    Thirdly, we beg for holiness of life, because this is what matters most on earth and in heaven; finally, brotherly love, that is the peaceful agreement among citizens which is the secret of prosperity, the perfection of Christianity and an inexhaustible source of joy and peace.
    These are the riches and the virtues--I repeat the very words of our own St Lawrence--which are pleasing to God; they reform morals, convert men, raise them from the depths, and lift them on high to where the virgin assumed into heaven rejoices and exults in her glory and prays for the whole church to her Son, Christ the Lord, who with the Father and Holy Spirit lives and reigns for ever. Amen
  8. johnXXIII
    Aug 22, '09 5:57 pm
    johnXXIII
    Ask your pastor to return this prayer to the Mass.

    Holy Michael, the Archangel, defend us in battle; be our safe guard against the wickedness and snares of the devil. May God rebuke him we humbly pray; and you, Prince of the heavenly host, by the power of God cast into hell Satan and all the evil spirits, who wander through the world seeking the ruin of souls.
    Amen
    Most Sacred Heart of Jesus; have mercy on us
  9. August Ambrose
    Aug 14, '09 9:43 pm
    August Ambrose
    Oh God, who has declared Yourself the
    Protector of those who hope in thee,
    And with out whom there is in us men
    Neither strength nor earthly holiness

    Make us in faith experience more
    The loving effects of thy mercy
    Let us not cling to the perishable
    Goods of our natural happiness.
  10. thecross
    Jun 16, '09 7:48 pm
    thecross
    Saint John of the Cross
    Soul craving to see God

    I live yet no true life I know,
    and living thus expectantly,
    I die because I do not die..

    Within myself no life I know
    And without God life cannot be;
    Then, since there's neither life for me
    What can my life be here below?
    A thousand deaths I undergo
    And for my true life here I sigh
    Dying because I do not die

    This life that has been giv'n to me
    Is but true life's negation --nay
    'Tis death that comes with each new day
    Until I live, my God , with Thee
    Hearken, O God, to this my plea.
    No longing for this life have I
    Who die because I do not die

    Absent, my Lord and God from Thee
    What gain I as I draw my breath?
    What taste I, but the pains of death
    The sharpest that I e'er did see?
    Yet, living perseveringly,
    For my unhappy lot I sigh
    Who die because I do not die.

    The fish that leaves the river's brim
    Finds mingled suffering and gain
    At first he suffers death-like pain
    But as the last death comes to him
    And, as my wretched life burned dim
    What death can equal this? I cry
    The more I live the more I die

    I gaze on Thee, to assuage my pain
    Beneath the sacramental veils
    Yet even here my spirit fails
    Because The Self i cannot gain
    With deeper anguish I remain
    Who see Thee this imperfectly
    And die because I do not die

    And If, O Lord, I seek for joy
    In hopes of seeing Thee above
    With doubled grief my hopes alloy
    Thus hopes my soul would e'er employ
    While fear is ever standing by;
    I die because I do not die

    O save me from this death-like case
    My God, and give true life to me
    Hold me no more, but set me free
    From straitest bondage in this place
    Look how I yearn to see Thy face
    And how I grieve so utterly
    Dying because I do not die


    My death I'll morn unceasingly,
    Lamenting life that still is mine
    What time my sins, as I repine
    Detain me here when I would flee.
    And oh, my God, when shall it be
    That I may gladly, truly cry
    Now live I and no longer die



   

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