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Old Dec 14, '11, 7:15 pm
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Default Re: Once Saved Always Saved?

Continued from Part 1

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God does foreordain some to be saved. Others are not foreordained to be saved. .... and Paul suggests God creates some to be damned, for the sake of His own glory.
As I have so often pointed out in this thread, this is the core problem. Catholicism is called that precisely because Jesus Christ is universal; He died for all sinners in all times and at all places, and it is His will for everyone to be saved.



That, by the way, was written by the same Paul you cite as teaching Calvinism!

To hold, as you do, that Jesus did not die for some people means that God made those people irreparably defective, imperfect, evil, whatever you like to call it. God is perfect. Why would He then be the author of defects, imperfections, and evils? He would only allow these evils if He could bring forth something good from them. What about a person going to hell is "good"? What does Love have to do with damnation? God Himself said:





... so how on Earth can anyone claim that Jesus taught Calvinism?

If the Calvinists here aren't willing to admit that God loves His children too much to will their damnation (but rather that damnation results from man's refusal to accept grace), then there's no point in having a conversation--the Calvinists aren't reading their Bibles.



God is Love. If you want to keep clashing your empty gongs and cymbals about the sovereignty and power of God over and against us, then be my guest. But I can only sit here aghast at how much you misunderstand Jesus and wish that you actually knew Him.

See also: Wilted TULIP: No Love for Calvinism (original version)

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