Extraordinary Liturgy and Extraordinary Eucharistic Ministers

SFH · #1 Jul 8, '07, 9:16 am

Given that use of eucharistic ministers is supposed to be "extraordinary," don't you think that Catholic churches in the United States should adopt a similar interpretation of "extraordinary" with respect to the Tridentine liturgy under the motu proprio (i.e., we should be seeing the Tridentine liturgy at every Mass)?

Mary1973 · #2 Jul 8, '07, 9:40 am

Took me a minute but I got your point. Don't hold your breath.

steve green 2 · #3 Jul 8, '07, 9:42 am

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Originally Posted by SFH

Given that use of eucharistic ministers is supposed to be "extraordinary," don't you think that Catholic churches in the United States should adopt a similar interpretation of "extraordinary" with respect to the Tridentine liturgy under the motu proprio (i.e., we should be seeing the Tridentine liturgy at every Mass)?

NO !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

thomasf · #4 Jul 8, '07, 9:48 am

No.

demerzel85 · #5 Jul 8, '07, 9:52 am

Unlikely.

BobCatholic · #6 Jul 8, '07, 9:52 am

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Originally Posted by SFH

Given that use of eucharistic ministers is supposed to be "extraordinary," don't you think that Catholic churches in the United States should adopt a similar interpretation of "extraordinary" with respect to the Tridentine liturgy under the motu proprio (i.e., we should be seeing the Tridentine liturgy at every Mass)?

I would love to see that interpretation take place.

But you know it won't

Hellisreal · #7 Jul 8, '07, 2:45 pm

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Originally Posted by SFH

Given that use of eucharistic ministers is supposed to be "extraordinary," don't you think that Catholic churches in the United States should adopt a similar interpretation of "extraordinary" with respect to the Tridentine liturgy under the motu proprio (i.e., we should be seeing the Tridentine liturgy at every Mass)?

The EMHC are so excessive now, that I guess you are saying we should see an "abuse" of the Tridentine Liturgy?

If that is abuse, abuse away!

Wont happen though.

Traditionaldan · #8 Jul 9, '07, 12:53 pm

Since using Extraordinary Eucharistic Ministers involves having laypeople act in Priestly functions, therefore making it "more acceptable to our Protestant bretheren" and extraordinry prayer of TFM may offend non-Catholics, you will not see TLM encouraged.

zjl56 · #9 Jul 9, '07, 2:30 pm

I know you have had this arguement before, but isn't it a necessity to have EMCHs? It's not uncommon for a parish to be 500-1000 families and have only one priest and deacon. Can't EMCHs be validly used due to time constraints?

Genesis315 · #10 Jul 9, '07, 2:35 pm

I guess the argument is whether or not that counts as extraordinary. I will say, that policy seems better than previous Church policy:

St. Basil explains:
http://www.newadvent.org/fathers/3202093.htm

All the solitaries in the desert, where there is no priest, take the communion themselves, keeping communion at home. And at Alexandria and in Egypt, each one of the laity, for the most part, keeps the communion, at his own house, and participates in it when he likes. For when once the priest has completed the offering, and given it, the recipient, participating in it each time as entire, is bound to believe that he properly takes and receives it from the giver. And even in the church, when the priest gives the portion, the recipient takes it with complete power over it, and so lifts it to his lips with his own hand. It has the same validity whether one portion or several portions are received from the priest at the same time.

**mercygate** · #11 Jul 9, '07, 2:36 pm

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Originally Posted by zjl56

I know you have had this arguement before, but isn't it a necessity to have EMCHs? It's not uncommon for a parish to be 500-1000 families and have only one priest and deacon. Can't EMCHs be validly used due to time constraints?

Yes. EMHCs are used with discretion at my parish, and many of 'em have more good sense than the Pastor.

I am a TLM enthusiast, but wide application of it would offend a lot of good-hearted people who are not grounded in it, who welcomed the vernacular because they really DID struggle with the Latin. I would not want to alienate them. It would be pastorally unkind.

To counter that those who loved the TLM have been treated with pastoral insensitivity for 40 years would certainly be true, but I personally would not want to turn the tables, especially where the Mass of Paul VI is celebrated decently and in order.

paramedicgirl · #12 Jul 9, '07, 8:41 pm

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Originally Posted by mercygate

Yes. EMHCs are used with discretion at my parish, and many of 'em have more good sense than the Pastor.

I am a TLM enthusiast, but wide application of it would offend a lot of good-hearted people who are not grounded in it, who welcomed the vernacular because they really DID struggle with the Latin. I would not want to alienate them. It would be pastorally unkind.

To counter that those who loved the TLM have been treated with pastoral insensitivity for 40 years would certainly be true, but I personally would not want to turn the tables, especially where the Mass of Paul VI is celebrated decently and in order.

Just as it was pastorally unkind to have a wide application of the ordinary Mass that offended the people who desire the TLM? Just as the traditionalists were alienated from their own parishes when they lost the Mass of the Ages? Please. These kind of arguments are so insensitive. Do you really think there is only one side of the coin?