Demographic Winter: Decline of the Human Family

[Geremia]

Demographic Winter: Decline of the Human Family

is an excellent 52 minute film about the world's underpopulation crisis due to aggressive abortion and contraception. For a shortened, 20 minute version of the film, click here. For more information on this film, visit the film's website, and for more information on abortion and underpopulation, join the Movement for a Better America.

[Sam Maloney]

I like the phrase 'Demographic Winter', but wish there were some shorter youtube type videos on the subject. I'm just not inclined to commit to a 22 or 52 minute film just now.

I do accept the thesis and believe it's going to be a real problem. I suppose these films could give me ammunition for discussion with those who disagree, but otherwise, it's just 'preaching to the choir', as they say.

I know of some conservatives opinion makers [as well as most liberals] who argue that a world with fewer people will be a more pleasant and prosperous world.

[strngrnrth]

In the modern world people have the strangest ideas of the life cycle. They assume because we live to be 84 instead of 48 we ought to grow up at 28 rather than 16, have a child at 35 instead of 20, and when biology doesn't always cooperate with that, they go for expensive fertility treatments. Meanwhile, parents in their reproductive prime, the early and middle 20's, kill their babies and disrupt their hormones.
I think the effect of materialism is that parents are evaluated by how rich they can rear their children, with no standard, so that no one quite feels financially capable of parenthood. People look right through me when I say they can afford to raise a child if they give up a few small luxuries for a few years, many of which luxuries I grew up mostly lacking. It's a social concept that you can't be a mother or father unless you're in one of the upper income brackets, but you can abort. As if babies were better off dead than spending a few years in moderate poverty. It's inevitable it would come to this when the dominant cultural influences define human worth in money.

[RobbyS]

Originally Posted by strngrnrth

In the modern world people have the strangest ideas of the life cycle. They assume because we live to be 84 instead of 48 we ought to grow up at 28 rather than 16, have a child at 35 instead of 20, and when biology doesn't always cooperate with that, they go for expensive fertility treatments. Meanwhile, parents in their reproductive prime, the early and middle 20's, kill their babies and disrupt their hormones.
I think the effect of materialism is that parents are evaluated by how rich they can rear their children, with no standard, so that no one quite feels financially capable of parenthood. People look right through me when I say they can afford to raise a child if they give up a few small luxuries for a few years, many of which luxuries I grew up mostly lacking. It's a social concept that you can't be a mother or father unless you're in one of the upper income brackets, but you can abort. As if babies were better off dead than spending a few years in moderate poverty. It's inevitable it would come to this when the dominant cultural influences define human worth in money.

All too true, My wife likes to say that she grew up poor, but didn't know it, Our kids grew up rich but didn't know it.

[thomfra]

Originally Posted by Geremia

Demographic Winter: Decline of the Human Family

is an excellent 52 minute film about the world's underpopulation crisis due to aggressive abortion and contraception. For a shortened, 20 minute version of the film, click here. For more information on this film, visit the film's website, and for more information on abortion and underpopulation, join the Movement for a Better America.

Sounds like rubbish to me. World population is growing overall is it not?

[Geremia]

Originally Posted by thomfra

Sounds like rubbish to me. World population is growing overall is it not?

From the film's press kit:

Worldwide, birthrates have been halved in the past 50 years. There are now 59 nations, with 44% of the world’s population, with below-replacement fertility. Sometime in this century, the world’s population will begin to decline. At a certain point, the decline will become rapid. We may even reach population free-fall in our lifetimes.

See this related article: Sub-replacement fertility.

[Sam Maloney]

Originally Posted by thomfra

Sounds like rubbish to me. World population is growing overall is it not?

Yes: current world population is a bit under 7 billion, UN predicts 9.4 billion by 2050.

The problem is more localized: the US is the only 'first world' country with a birthrate at or near replacement levels. Some ethnicities [mostly European] will become very rare by the end of this century if trends continue.

So it is kind of a localized issue, no one is saying the race will go extinct.

But most European cultures might, as primarily Muslim immigrants are brought in to care for an aging popluation. The EU birthrate is 1.5 and falling [you need 2.1 to replace existing population, the '.1' represents people who won't reproduce].

Japan's ancient culture is perhaps in most danger: it has a birthrate [1.2] well below replacement level, the oldest median age, and is inimical to immigration.

There are economic implications as well: retirement is only possible if there are enough people still working to keep the pension checks flowing.

And the trend towards much smaller families is spreading as the technolegdy of birth control spreads. Some of the countries that are below replacement level may surprise you: Brazil, Kazikstan, Algeria, Vietnam. But if there are [for whatever reason] few older people, it's possible to be below replacement level and still have a growing population.

[manualman]

The trend is more worrisome than merely slowing of growth. Virtually EVERY developed nation in the world has birth rates below replacement. This suggests that there is something about industrialized society today that structurally discourages childbearing. (Good catholics ought to have a prime suspect right away)

As time goes on and more nations of the world become industrialized, we can expect them to go sub-replacement too. What then?

[JimG]

The economic hit will be felt first. We are experiencing it even now. It may be too late to reverse.

[Gardening Mommy]

Besides the fertility rate, you also have to look at the gender ratio. Most of southeast Asia, China, and India have huge gender imbalances.

China already has 20 million men who will never marry because the women were aborted or killed as infants in a society that heavily favors boys; the one-child policy of the communist government has exacerbated a millenias old problem. That number will grow rapidly, as more children of the one-child era reach marriage age.

Even Indian immigrants living in England have a noticable gender imbalance among their children. Even the UN finally admitted that there are tens of millions, maybe hundreds of millions, of "missing" girls from sex-selection abortions across the region.

Just another example of how abortion hurts women, not helps. And another reason we shouldn't be paying to export it.

[Mark77]

It is truly sad that a 22 minute or worse yet a 52 minute documentary is too long for us to watch. We might even listen to both sides and decide for ourselves, what a novel idea!.

I wonder why we are declining so rapidly when we could solve all our worries with a 30 second soundbite.

We just elected an unknown guy who can only give us 2 words, "Hope" and "Change", without any credible accomplishments to date.

If I were a community activist and State legislator and Senator from a city with the worst murder rate in the nation (3 times higher than NYC), I would be ashamed to show my face, much less ask for a promotion after 14 months on the job.

His support for unlimited abortions, even of those born alive, is just another indicator of how wrong someone can be, even if most people buy into the lies.

Our silence is approval of this evil.

Sancta Maris, Mater Dei, Ora Pro Nobis Peccatoribus.

Mark

[Sam Maloney]

Originally Posted by Mark77

It is truly sad that a 22 minute or worse yet a 52 minute documentary is too long for us to watch. We might even listen to both sides and decide for ourselves, what a novel idea!.

I wonder why we are declining so rapidly when we could solve all our worries with a 30 second soundbite.

We just elected an unknown guy who can only give us 2 words, "Hope" and "Change", without any credible accomplishments to date.

If I were a community activist and State legislator and Senator from a city with the worst murder rate in the nation (3 times higher than NYC), I would be ashamed to show my face, much less ask for a promotion after 14 months on the job.

His support for unlimited abortions, even of those born alive, is just another indicator of how wrong someone can be, even if most people buy into the lies.

Our silence is approval of this evil.

Sancta Maris, Mater Dei, Ora Pro Nobis Peccatoribus.

Mark

I have a pretty good grasp of the statistics, Mark-- I've been following the story for years, and am not inclined to spend 22 or 52 minutes reviewing what I already know. Sorry that this offends you.

I wished there was a shorter version that could attract attention to the problem, rather than preaching to the choir.

[Dale_M]

Originally Posted by Sam Maloney

I have a pretty good grasp of the statistics, Mark-- I've been following the story for years, and am not inclined to spend 22 or 52 minutes reviewing what I already know.

I'm not up to speed on world demographics, but agree with the sentiment about not wanting to watch a long video. Text is a much quicker way to absorb information.

Although developed nations have a fertility problem, and future developed nations may have a fertility problem, that leaves a large and growing population in the rest of the world who would be happy to emigrate to the developed nations.

[Geremia]

Originally Posted by Dale_M

I'm not up to speed on world demographics, but agree with the sentiment about not wanting to watch a long video. Text is a much quicker way to absorb information.

Yes, the video is aimed at those not previously exposed to the concept of underpopulation.

[Beautiful]

Originally Posted by Sam Maloney

I have a pretty good grasp of the statistics, Mark-- I've been following the story for years, and am not inclined to spend 22 or 52 minutes reviewing what I already know. Sorry that this offends you.

I wished there was a shorter version that could attract attention to the problem, rather than preaching to the choir.

I know what you mean. I took a psych adulthood and aging class recently and learned pretty much what I heard in this 52 minute video. There are too many out there that simply don't know what is happening. This video in it's entirety is of great value. The one part about how the most able and equipped couples are not reproducing compared to the couples who are least equipped to reproduce reminds me of the silly free download I watched called Idiocracy. You can do a google search and find the free download. The first five or ten minutes are funnyfied but true.
The part in the Demographic Winter video about how Darwinism isn't applying to the human population was interesting. Humans are proving to be different than animals in this respect - interesting stuff.