Is transgender a sin?

[dumbseeker]

Is transgender a sin? Why or why not?

[Belloc Fan]

Originally Posted by dumbseeker

Is transgender a sin? Why or why not?

Tough question. Peter Kreeft, who I admire greatly, has this to say (http://www.peterkreeft.com/topics/sex-in-heaven.htm):

The first reason would be a reaction against what is wrongly seen as monosexual soul-stereotyping. A wholly male soul, whatever maleness means, or a wholly female soul, sounds unreal and oversimplified. But that is not what sexual souls implies. Rather, in every soul there is—to use Jungian terms—anima and animus, femaleness and maleness; just as in the body, one predominates but the other is also present. If the dominant sex of soul is not the same as that of the body, we have a sexual misfit, a candidate for a sex change operation of body or of soul, earthly or Heavenly. Perhaps Heaven supplies such changes just as it supplies all other needed forms of healing. In any case, the resurrection body perfectly expresses its soul, and since souls are innately sexual, that body will perfectly express its soul's true sexual identity.

Myself, I don't really know. But I gotta admit that I really like that view.

[jfhh]

Originally Posted by Belloc Fan

Tough question. Peter Kreeft, who I admire greatly, has this to say (http://www.peterkreeft.com/topics/sex-in-heaven.htm):



Myself, I don't really know. But I gotta admit that I really like that view.

I do too and I wonder if that explains homosexuality as well. If so, then maybe it isn't sinful in the way that some think it to be. Maybe some people are also midway with neither being dominant. Then per Kreeft's idea, their sexual identity would have to be neither male nor female. That may be related to bisexuality or not.

[coco2]

I don't think it could be a sin, and these people suffer so much. I know someone in this situation. They are so confused about their sexuality. Without a doubt, she was a male in every way. Her life was in constant turmoil. She tried to like guys, but couldn't. She was attracted to women, but didn't think she was gay. This led her to alcohol and drug abuse. I know she somehow got hepatitis and was hospitalized for about 9 months somewhere and then I moved and lost complete track of her. She was in so much pain, and her heart was so tender and kind. I hope at some point, she found God. She had no desire to go to church or talk about God at that time. I pray for her.

[aspawloski4th]

Originally Posted by coco2

I don't think it could be a sin, and these people suffer so much. I know someone in this situation. They are so confused about their sexuality. Without a doubt, she was a male in every way. Her life was in constant turmoil. She tried to like guys, but couldn't. She was attracted to women, but didn't think she was gay. This led her to alcohol and drug abuse. I know she somehow got hepatitis and was hospitalized for about 9 months somewhere and then I moved and lost complete track of her. She was in so much pain, and her heart was so tender and kind. I hope at some point, she found God. She had no desire to go to church or talk about God at that time. I pray for her.

Thankyou for your example. But after a litney of examples like this some still just won't get it.

[Dale_M]

Originally Posted by aspawloski4th

But after a litney of examples like this some still just won't get it.

True enough, but I am encouraged by the attitudes expressed so far in this thread.

Sam, the Church's official policy on transsexualism is sub secretum... under secrecy. But from the leaked information which was published about five years ago, I think you are right that the Church sees it as a mental imbalance. Certainly the Church does not recognize sex change.

But just to clarify, transsexual does not mean transgender, and vice versa.

[Nepenthe]

If it helps at all, here's a slightly more positive example. Mirdath's and my best friend (and yes, admittedly an occasional lover though she is very likely the most chaste individual I have ever met, in thought and deed - yet human - however she may resent that 'weakness' - I almost did marry her) is indeed transgender. As well as being literally half the world away from her family! But my parents adore her, and have pretty much adopted her - she is brilliant, beautiful, and no one would ever think she had a Y chromosome - it just isn't an issue.

Even Mirdath's ultraconservative Catholic family were utterly charmed by her. And we were greatly honored to have her as a bridesmaid at our wedding. Though half a world away, she has friends and family who would sacrifice all for her, no matter their indoctrination. And that truly, is what family is all about. Dear shy one, feel no obligation nor fear - it is a pleasure to make your hard life more easy, and let your mind reconcile!

[jfhh]

Originally Posted by Dale_M

True enough, but I am encouraged by the attitudes expressed so far in this thread.

Sam, the Church's official policy on transsexualism is sub secretum... under secrecy. But from the leaked information which was published about five years ago, I think you are right that the Church sees it as a mental imbalance. Certainly the Church does not recognize sex change.

But just to clarify, transsexual does not mean transgender, and vice versa.

What is the leaked info?

[Dale_M]

Originally Posted by jfhh

What is the leaked info?

Catholic News Service broke the news in 2003, however, their website's archive doesn't seem to go back that far. Their news story has been maintained on several third-party websites. Here is one: http://www.tgcrossroads.org/news/archive.asp?aid=599

[brandymmiller]

Originally Posted by jfhh

What is the leaked info?

Nothing that the Church does is under secrecy, and I would ask where you got the information that it was. The Church clearly states her position in all things. In point of fact, this is a violation of the Sixth Commandment since "The tradition of the Church has understood the sixth commandment as encompassing the whole of human sexuality."

Catechism of the Catholic Church Article 6: The Sixth Commandment (page 560)
I. Male and Female He Created Them...
2333: Everyone, man and woman, should acknowledge and accept his sexual identity.

[jfhh]

Originally Posted by brandymmiller

Nothing that the Church does is under secrecy, and I would ask where you got the information that it was. The Church clearly states her position in all things. In point of fact, this is a violation of the Sixth Commandment since "The tradition of the Church has understood the sixth commandment as encompassing the whole of human sexuality."

Catechism of the Catholic Church Article 6: The Sixth Commandment (page 560)
I. Male and Female He Created Them...
2333: Everyone, man and woman, should acknowledge and accept his sexual identity.

Brandy it was Dale M who said it was secret leaked info. I was just asking him what it was. Address your post then to Dale, not me.

[goofyjim]

Any operation to change the body of course would be a sin. But being a person having attributes physically of both genders can't be a sin as it is the way some people are born. It is a heavy cross to be sure but God never gives us anything we can't handle and gives us the rest of the human race to support and console us.

[pathia]

Originally Posted by goofyjim

It is a heavy cross to be sure but God never gives us anything we can't handle and gives us the rest of the human race to support and console us.

The majority seem to despise, hate, discriminate and throw us into the trash. I have not been here often the past few weeks, because I am once again homeless (Only temporarily thank goodness). THe landlord has declared that my lifestyle is against the lease contract and terminated it, there's this thing about 'living a clean life' that I suspect refers to drug use and that qualifies enough I guess.

Thank god for libraries though, they are at least warm!

[JC in Dallas]

I will not attempt to speak to the psychological issues involved there are too many. Homosexuality is not in any way connected to transgender surgical changes.
The church accepts transgender people when the chromosome test clearly prove that there is an extra chromosome or chromosome abnormality. We baptized a young man who started the RCIA process as a young women already under pre-surgical treatment.
These are highly complex issues that should be discussed on an individual case basis with competent authority.

[goofyjim]

Originally Posted by JC in Dallas

I will not attempt to speak to the psychological issues involved there are too many. Homosexuality is not in any way connected to transgender surgical changes.
The church accepts transgender people when the chromosome test clearly prove that there is an extra chromosome or chromosome abnormality. We baptized a young man who started the RCIA process as a young women already under pre-surgical treatment.
These are highly complex issues that should be discussed on an individual case basis with competent authority.

And the Church accepts celibate homosexuals thereby accepting homosexuality to some degree. Just not the acts.