Pope Endorses "World Political Authority"

[Archie]

This does belong in the Secular News section because this is indeed a big item in the secular news.

I searched around and could not find this mentioned anywhere. Forgive me if I overlooked it. This is a rather big story and I find nothing on it in these forums.

http://www.vatican.va/holy_father/be...ritate_en.html

The Pope to me is saying a one world system is good. But I believe a one world system by its very nature, by its very centrality, is rule by the elites of the world. To me, a one world system can be nothing other than a death and slavery system.

I do not agree with everything Cliff Kincaid writes, but I think he is absolutely correct in his observations here.

http://www.newswithviews.com/Kincaid/cliff329.htm

[Incomplete]

See if this helps:

http://www.lifesitenews.com/ldn/2009/jul/09070812.html

[Wolfhound]

Originally Posted by Incomplete

See if this helps:

http://www.lifesitenews.com/ldn/2009/jul/09070812.html

Thanks. This helped me. I needed some perspective and background. I've only read excerpts of the encyclical. Much of what I've seen left a lot of questions. Obviously there's lots of room for discussion...

[Archie]

Well, I was not in need of "help" as I posted the original encyclical and one article.

The article you posted seems like typical Catholic mumbo jumbo. The Pope IS endorsing a "world political authority." The Pope is in favor of the U.N.

[Kuzushi]

Yep, you are right Archie. I did not see your thread when I posted mine entitled Pope thinks he is economist and wants one world order.

[roveau]

I'm interpreting this as that the Pope wants Christ to return as soon as possible. There would be your world political authority and it would be a good one!

Rove

[Mattapoisett64]

The radio preachers in my area are having a field day with this: At last! The Vatican shows its true colors! One World Government - under the pope of course! One world religion forced on everyone! Enforced by the Jesuits (of course)! And of course under a common economic system, everyone will need to take on the Mark of the Beast in order to buy or sell anything. Makes for very entertaining listening.

[wisdomseeker]

Originally Posted by Mattapoisett64

The radio preachers in my area are having a field day with this: At last! The Vatican shows its true colors! One World Government - under the pope of course! One world religion forced on everyone! Enforced by the Jesuits (of course)! And of course under a common economic system, everyone will need to take on the Mark of the Beast in order to buy or sell anything. Makes for very entertaining listening.

how about john hagee, jack van impe, and those so called prophecies experts? how they must be having a time of their lives to see their prophecies come true. little they know that just like they enterpret the Bible wrong, they also enterpret the pope's writings wrong. they have been waiting for the CC to do or say something that they can use is proof that they are right. well, there you have it.

[Incomplete]

Originally Posted by Archie

Well, I was not in need of "help" as I posted the original encyclical and one article.

The article you posted seems like typical Catholic mumbo jumbo. The Pope IS endorsing a "world political authority." The Pope is in favor of the U.N.

Sorry. When you said

The Pope to me is saying a one world system is good

I thought you'd like to hear what others are saying, too, to get a different viewpoint from what you had already read. Obviously others read it differently. In fact, there are several good articles that take it differently. I thought you were looking for clarification on if this was just how you were reading it.

My apologies.

[Lisa Lavadores]

Originally Posted by Incomplete

My apologies.

LOL -- I've been away from a Catholic forum for so long, I forgot there were humble people who are willing to apologize even when it's clear they did nothing wrong.

The OP might not have appreciated your post, but I did. Thanks.

[JaMc]

Originally Posted by Archie

Well, I was not in need of "help" as I posted the original encyclical and one article.

The article you posted seems like typical Catholic mumbo jumbo. The Pope IS endorsing a "world political authority." The Pope is in favor of the U.N.

Go back to the encyclical, do a "Ctrl+f", and type in "subsidiarity." Read the paragraphs where the word comes up. Then go to www.google.com, and type in "subsidiarity." After going through the links, you'll find some more "Catholic mumbo-jumbo," saying something like this:

"1883 Socialization also presents dangers. Excessive intervention by the state can threaten personal freedom and initiative. The teaching of the Church has elaborated the principle of subsidiarity, according to which "a community of a higher order should not interfere in the internal life of a community of a lower order, depriving the latter of its functions, but rather should support it in case of need and help to co- ordinate its activity with the activities of the rest of society, always with a view to the common good."

The Pope may be "in favor of the U.N.," but not the U.N. as we know it, and, indeed, a sort of U.N. that we may never see. Rather, he supports a U.N. that is pro-life, and respects the principle of subsidiarity. In other words, a hypothetical, theoretical, academic "U.N." that will probably never materialize.

[Earnest Bunbury]

“Political authority” also involves a wide range of values, which must not be overlooked in the process of constructing a new order of economic productivity, socially responsible and human in scale. As well as cultivating differentiated forms of business activity on the global plane, we must also promote a dispersed political authority, effective on different levels. The integrated economy of the present day does not make the role of States redundant, but rather it commits governments to greater collaboration with one another...The articulation of political authority at the local, national and international levels is one of the best ways of giving direction to the process of economic globalization. It is also the way to ensure that it does not actually undermine the foundations of democracy. Caritas in veritate 41.

Doesn't sound like a one world gov to me. Unless it is a democratic, non-confederated, locally autonomous, one world gov... I'd buy that for a dollar! One World Gov. endorsed by the pope! How people come up with these obvious falsehoods is beyond me.

[Earnest Bunbury]

Originally Posted by JaMc

Go back to the encyclical, do a "Ctrl+f"

Dude, that is the best thing ever! Thx

[Cheerleader]

As a Catholic, the Pope's latest encyclical nauseates me. I feel like I've had the spiritual wind knocked out of me. The one chosen to sit in the seat of Saint Peter should be a leader of the Catholic Church--feeding, caring and sheparding the flock of Our Lord Jesus Christ. Instead we have leaders as Pope Bendict XVI, John Paul II and others who prefer to be world politicians. The UN is evil from its inception. It is occult forces that energize the global hierarchy and their agenda. No one, not even the Pope, should attempt to do any form of negotiating with this brood of vipers. God help us!

Jesus I trust in You!

[Earnest Bunbury]

Originally Posted by Cheerleader

As a Catholic, the Pope's latest encyclical nauseates me. I feel like I've had the spiritual wind knocked out of me. The one chosen to sit in the seat of Saint Peter should be a leader of the Catholic Church--feeding, caring and sheparding the flock of Our Lord Jesus Christ. Instead we have leaders as Pope Bendict XVI, John Paul II and others who prefer to be world politicians. The UN is evil from its inception. It is occult forces that energize the global hierarchy and their agenda. No one, not even the Pope, should attempt to do any form of negotiating with this brood of vipers. God help us!

Jesus I trust in You!

If you look closely at the encyclical, it shows that the transcendent nature of love and charity is what the world, economics, and institutions need. It specifically says it and the Church doesn't have technical solutions:

The Church does not have technical solutions to offer and does not claim “to interfere in any way in the politics of States.” She does, however, have a mission of truth to accomplish, in every time and circumstance, for a society that is attuned to man, to his dignity, to his vocation. Without truth, it is easy to fall into an empiricist and sceptical view of life, incapable of rising to the level of praxis because of a lack of interest in grasping the values — sometimes even the meanings — with which to judge and direct it. Fidelity to man requires fidelity to the truth, which alone is the guarantee of freedom (cf. Jn 8:32) and of the possibility of integral human development. (9)

This means that the philosophy behind the correct action "praxis" must be truth and that the Church is not, other than pointing out what is true and right, telling what should be done, just what it sees should be done in light of its mission to teach the truth:

Matthew 28: 16Then the eleven disciples went to Galilee, to the mountain where Jesus had told them to go. 17When they saw him, they worshiped him; but some doubted. 18Then Jesus came to them and said, "All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me. 19Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in[a] the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, 20and teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you. And surely I am with you always, to the very end of the age."

. There is no infallible teaching in this other than the ordinary magisterium since it deals with social justice and not faith and morals. There is nothing to be upset about. Humility and submission to the truth of the Church, the pillar and ground of the truth (1 Tim 3:15) is trust in Jesus as He left us the Church as the Catholic "rule of faith".

Since faith is Divine and infallible, the rule of faith must be also Divine and infallible; and since faith is supernatural assent to Divine truths upon Divine authority, the ultimate or remote rule of faith must be the truthfulness of God in revealing Himself. But since Divine revelation is contained in the written books and unwritten traditions (Vatican Council, I, ii), the Bible and Divine tradition must be the rule of our faith; since, however, these are only silent witnesses and cannot interpret themselves, they are commonly termed "proximate but inanimate rules of faith". Unless, then, the Bible and tradition are to be profitless, we must look for some proximate rule which shall be animate or living.

http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/05766b.htm

On the United Nations,he UN is innocuous at worst as it is people that either accept or reject evil, and is not called to be the authority over individuals but seems, in context of the whole encyclical, to be called to be reformed and used appropriately as it is the sole universal body that deals with humanity at the current time:

In reality, institutions by themselves are not enough, because integral human development is primarily a vocation, and therefore it involves a free assumption of responsibility in solidarity on the part of everyone. Moreover, such development requires a transcendent vision of the person, it needs God: without him, development is either denied, or entrusted exclusively to man, who falls into the trap of thinking he can bring about his own salvation, and ends up promoting a dehumanized form of development.

If institutions are not enough, then the idea that the pope calls for an institution, without reform as it regards Truth and Charity, the basis for the encyclical in the first place, is naive.

for a reform of the United Nations Organization a greater degree of international ordering, marked by subsidiarity, for the management of globalization.