What if...

sbcoral · #1 Mar 20, '05, 5:37 pm

What if Terri Schiavo's husband is right, and she did tell him that she wouldn't want a feeding tube placed in this kind of situation? What if she told him she wouldn't want to have plastic tubes inserted in her, if neurologically devastated? It's certainly possible. Many people, even most, would not want to live in that situation, and would choose not to ever have a PEG placed. If Mr. Schiavo is right, and Congress is forcing this woman to do something against her wishes, then Congress really is full of a bunch of jerks, huh?

masondoggy · #2 Mar 20, '05, 5:43 pm

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What if Terri Schiavo's husband is right, and she did tell him that she wouldn't want a feeding tube placed in this kind of situation? What if she told him she wouldn't want to have plastic tubes inserted in her, if neurologically devastated? It's certainly possible. Many people, even most, would not want to live in that situation, and would choose not to ever have a PEG placed. If Mr. Schiavo is right, and Congress is forcing this woman to do something against her wishes, then Congress really is full of a bunch of jerks, huh?

even if Michael is telling the truth about her wishes, it is now completely irrevelevent now since just 2 days ago FOUR witnesses heard her say she wants to live.

Case closed.

sbcoral · #3 Mar 20, '05, 5:48 pm

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even if Michael is telling the truth about her wishes, it is now completely irrevelevent now since just 2 days ago FOUR witnesses heard her say she wants to live.

Case closed.

But my question is what if? We all assume he is wrong and selfish and the devil, but what if he's right? Would everyone here still want that tube stuck back in her?

masondoggy · #4 Mar 20, '05, 5:53 pm

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But my question is what if? We all assume he is wrong and selfish and the devil, but what if he's right? Would everyone here still want that tube stuck back in her?

I'm still saying "what if" doesn't matter now. There are FOUR witnesses that heard her say 2 days ago that she wants to live. It overrides what she may have said 20 years ago.

And yes, I think the tube should be stuck in no matter what. Just because someone says, "if I'm in that situation, don't feed me". They're asking me to participate in assisted suicide, which is a mortal sin. We have the simple means to feed those who can't feed themselves. We have a moral obligation to provide it.

BlindSheep · #5 Mar 20, '05, 5:56 pm

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They're asking me to participate in assisted suicide, which is a mortal sin. We have the simple means to feed those who can't feed themselves. We have a moral obligation to provide it.

sbcoral · #6 Mar 20, '05, 6:00 pm

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I'm still saying "what if" doesn't matter now. There are FOUR witnesses that heard her say 2 days ago that she wants to live. It overrides what she may have said 20 years ago.

And yes, I think the tube should be stuck in no matter what. Just because someone says, "if I'm in that situation, don't feed me". They're asking me to participate in assisted suicide, which is a mortal sin. We have the simple means to feed those who can't feed themselves. We have a moral obligation to provide it.

1. Her wishes when she was mentally cognizant do matter.
2. She can't talk now. If she could, then she could swallow, and the PEG would be a moot point.
3. Forcing someone to accept medical treatment against their wishes (including surgery to insert a plastic tube) is sinful itself. Many, many people say don't keep me alive with tubes if I am not expected to recover - and doctors do not generally put tubes into people with advanced Alzheimer's, or ALS, or in people who have been neurologically devastated after cardiac arrest like Terri, because these people and their families don't want such treatment. Those horrible sinners.

shannon e · #7 Mar 20, '05, 6:04 pm

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1. Her wishes when she was mentally cognizant do matter.
2. She can't talk now. If she could, then she could swallow, and the PEG would be a moot point.
3. Forcing someone to accept medical treatment against their wishes is sinful...

Food and water are NOT medical treatment!

sbcoral · #8 Mar 20, '05, 6:07 pm

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Food and water are NOT medical treatment!

Surgery to insert the tube is, at least.

shannon e · #9 Mar 20, '05, 6:09 pm

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Surgery to insert the tube is, at least.

red-herring

sbcoral · #10 Mar 20, '05, 6:13 pm

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red-herring

Not if you're the person under the knife.

shannon e · #11 Mar 20, '05, 6:15 pm

What are your comments to post #'s 9 & 15?

Mike_Olson · #12 Mar 20, '05, 6:32 pm

Look up and read the sections on Euthanasia in the CCC. 2776-2779. There are to many opinions going on, our church has a teaching on this. Satan wants to divide us and leaving it up to opinions of emotional people is playing right in his hands.

**gilliam** · #13 Mar 20, '05, 6:17 pm

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Surgery to insert the tube is, at least.

A feeding tube can be inserted through the nose

sbcoral · #14 Mar 20, '05, 6:22 pm

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A feeding tube can be inserted through the nose

That's only temporary. Permanent tubes require surgery.

**gilliam** · #15 Mar 20, '05, 6:25 pm

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That's only temporary. Permanent tubes require surgery.

Permanent? It is only needed permanently if you don't give theropy. She has been denied theropy and according to nurses who have fed her orally, her husband has forbidden that as well.