Prolife vs. Prochoice

JA25 · #1 Aug 29, '10, 2:01 pm

Let's have a nice friendly debate (or discussion if we're all on the same side). Give arguments for your side - either Prolife or Prochoice. This should be interesting!

HickmanJosh · #2 Aug 29, '10, 4:35 pm

Fact: the unborn are human!
Fact: Killing a human is a crime!

Silent Notes · #3 Aug 30, '10, 5:16 am

If thats not a baby, you're not pregnant. So what are you aborting?

I was thinking that pro-life activists should put a mat leading to the entrance of the clinic saying,
"1 woman in 3 minutes around the world die from this surgery..."
"If you survive that, you are six times more likely to commit suicide than giving birth, or you'll suffer post-abortion syndrome"
"Still wanna do it, are you taking chances?"

This is how pro-choice/pro-abortionist people think(pro-slavery etc alike):
[Depersonalize the individual] + [Excuses] = [Agenda]

Tell them if they know Bernard Nathanson... that's a victorious testament to life. Sadly a lot of women don't see abortion in true light.

Silent Notes · #4 Aug 30, '10, 6:36 am

Why is it so difficult for people accept that the human fetus, man's offspring is a person? You don't have to be educated to know this.

Julia1996 · #5 Aug 31, '10, 8:40 am

Babies rely on their parents to protect them. It is a serious breach of trust to kill them.

And I think killing someone smaller than you should be considered bullying.

I just realized, we are pretty much all preaching to the choir here. I don't think that anyone on here is pro-choice. Just the idea of a pro-life vs. pro-choice debate on a Catholic website would discourage any pro-choice people. It does give the impression that this is going to turn into a pro-life Catholics telling a brave pro-choice person why he\she is wrong. If I were pro-choice, I would feel rather intimidated.

Silent Notes · #6 Sep 1, '10, 3:52 am

I'd like to see someone challenge and question us, yet alone the individual questions him/herself.

Julia1996 · #7 Sep 1, '10, 7:51 am

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Originally Posted by Silent Notes

I'd like to see someone challenge and question us, yet alone the individual questions him/herself.

Ok. Challenging you... hmm.

Do certain situations make abortion less wrong? For example, rape victims, unwed mothers, disabled children, mother's life in danger, child is a girl (in China and India, girls are bad news).

Silent Notes · #8 Sep 1, '10, 8:20 am

Before i go to bed...

Sorry this is quite off-topic about the argument, but i can't resist expressing my disgust and horror there's people who eat unborn babies?!

Particulars in China, they say its a remedy of the reproductive system... its ridiculous and no different that eating monkey brains make you smarter.

Looking those pictures of humans in jars and on the stove top moves me with pity and puke.

Julia1996 · #9 Sep 1, '10, 9:24 am

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Originally Posted by Silent Notes

Before i go to bed...

Sorry this is quite off-topic about the argument, but i can't resist expressing my disgust and horror there's people who eat unborn babies?!

Particulars in China, they say its a remedy of the reproductive system... its ridiculous and no different that eating monkey brains make you smarter.

Looking those pictures of humans in jars and on the stove top moves me with pity and puke.

They eat unborn babies???? I didn't know that. But then I didn't know that eating monkey brains was supposed to make you smarter either. That is gross and disturbing.

I knew that they ate monkey's sperm, I can't remember what for. But you don't have to kill a monkey to get that.

Silent Notes · #10 Sep 2, '10, 4:13 am

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Originally Posted by Julia1996

They eat unborn babies???? I didn't know that. But then I didn't know that eating monkey brains was supposed to make you smarter either. That is gross and disturbing.

I knew that they ate monkey's sperm, I can't remember what for. But you don't have to kill a monkey to get that.

You don't know Juila?

It has been circulating all over the web. You can check it on Youtube too. I'm more concerned about human lives than those of animals, of course. PETA has been fighted against fur-trade there.

That's just gross, monkey semen...

I thought people grew out of superstitions already.

Julia1996 · #11 Sep 2, '10, 7:38 am

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You don't know Juila?

It has been circulating all over the web. You can check it on Youtube too. I'm more concerned about human lives than those of animals, of course. PETA has been fighted against fur-trade there.
There are a lot of things I don't know. And I don't look at this sort of stuff on the web. I watch movies and search for specific information but that is about it. I don't know so much about this sort of thing.
That's just gross, monkey semen...

I thought people grew out of superstitions already.

In modern times, people are more educated. Most of the population went to school after science became compulsory. And people still believe that eating all this stuff will benefit them.

Silent Notes · #12 Sep 2, '10, 4:08 am

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Originally Posted by Julia1996

Ok. Challenging you... hmm.

Do certain situations make abortion less wrong? For example, rape victims, unwed mothers, disabled children, mother's life in danger, child is a girl (in China and India, girls are bad news).

What do you mean make abortions less wrong? Wrong is wrong, sin is sin.
Let's take it one step at a time. Rape is one of the most 'popular excuses'... this link here pretty much sums up what i had in mind. I'm sure there's so much more to say, but this is just for today.

God Bless.

Lisieuxrose · #13 Sep 2, '10, 8:10 pm

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Originally Posted by Julia1996

Ok. Challenging you... hmm.

Do certain situations make abortion less wrong? For example, rape victims, unwed mothers, disabled children, mother's life in danger, child is a girl (in China and India, girls are bad news).

Thanks for being brave enough to be the "odd one out"'so to speak.

These are pretty hard questions, and I think a lot of times, it's hard to truly put ourselves in the mother's situation--if I were her, would I be able to go through 9 months, and a changed life?

All I can say is, I am SO glad that one mother decided to keep her baby... One of my greatest mentors, a beautiful, strong woman who has been the "big sister " that I don't have by blood, and is a continual inspiration to me, would not be here in my life if her (at the time) young, unwed mother had decided to abort her, at the urging of family and friends. This woman has literally changed the path of my life. Right now, she is training to work in an ambulance and be an Emergency Medical Technician (EMT). Think of how many more lives she will touch. I don't think anybody should have the right that a human person does not deserve to live and follow the path God created for them.

Silent Notes · #14 Sep 3, '10, 4:07 am

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Originally Posted by Lisieuxrose

Thanks for being brave enough to be the "odd one out"'so to speak.

These are pretty hard questions, and I think a lot of times, it's hard to truly put ourselves in the mother's situation--if I were her, would I be able to go through 9 months, and a changed life?

All I can say is, I am SO glad that one mother decided to keep her baby... One of my greatest mentors, a beautiful, strong woman who has been the "big sister " that I don't have by blood, and is a continual inspiration to me, would not be here in my life if her (at the time) young, unwed mother had decided to abort her, at the urging of family and friends. This woman has literally changed the path of my life. Right now, she is training to work in an ambulance and be an Emergency Medical Technician (EMT). Think of how many more lives she will touch. I don't think anybody should have the right that a human person does not deserve to live and follow the path God created for them.

Well said! You are blessed to have such an inspiring "big sister".

Indeed abortion is such a sensitive issue.
The thing is, if a female is pregnant... knowing her martial status,age, background etc there will be discrimination from the public eyes. If she considers having an abortion, this will either please or anger people.
And we shouldn't condemn these women, that is not the approach.
If i had an unwanted pregnancy, i'd rather be seen having a huge gut for 9 months and take offenses than to suffer the trauma after having an abortion. After the surgery, she might act like nothing happened but she won't leave the clinic unaffected.
Not only she will suffer mentally that can effect the course of her life, but also physically... she may damage her systems and might not be capable of conceiving a child again.

This quote from Mother Teresa, covers this issue, "It is a poverty to decide that a child must die so that you may live as you wish."

We only have one short life here on earth, we don't want regrets.
Any one heard the argument, "I can do anything with my body?"
I wanna see someone back fire this.

JA25 · #15 Sep 3, '10, 5:30 am

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Any one heard the argument, "I can do anything with my body?"
I wanna see someone back fire this.

I'll try to back fire it! God created the human body, so it is in fact owned by him. I'm sure you've all heard that the body should be treated as a taburnacle. God wants us to respect the bodies that He has given us. He also wants us to respect other humans' bodies as well. As we have stated, an unborn fetus is considered a human being, even if its body isn't fully developed yet. Therefore, it is a sin for the mother to kill her unborn child, especially since it resides in her own body.