"23 Hours Dead" - Angelica Zambrano shown visions of Heaven and Hell

CatholicZ09 · #1 Jul 11, '11, 12:57 am

Has anyone read about the visions of a girl, who was clinically dead for 23 hours and shown visions of Heaven and Hell by Our Lord? Apparently she saw many famous people in Hell including Michael Jackson, and she saw Pope John Paul II in Hell as well.

Now, I have a problem with this. Apparently the reason why Pope John Paul II is in Hell (according to her vision, anyways), is because he slept with nuns and never preached about Hell? Is Jesus a liar? Blessed John Paul II never slept with nuns and DID preach about Hell!

Then the part where she "sees" the Blessed Mother. Jesus "told" her that she has no knowledge of the happenings on earth.

What are your opinions on this girl's "revelation"?

Quote:

http://www.heavenvisit.com/Angelica_Zambrano.php

HerrZJA · #2 Jul 11, '11, 3:03 am

Quote:

Originally Posted by CatholicZ09

Now, I have a problem with this. Apparently the reason why Pope John Paul II is in Hell (according to her vision, anyways), is because he slept with nuns and never preached about Hell? Is Jesus a liar? Blessed John Paul II never slept with nuns and DID preach about Hell!

Then the part where she "sees" the Blessed Mother. Jesus "told" her that she has no knowledge of the happenings on earth.

If she was clinically dead for nearly a full day, I imagine she must still have had some brain function left (through some unknown metabolic pathway), else this would have been a direct intervention on the part of God!

The segment of the OP that I have quoted seems indicative of less-than-total revelation. She was shown heaven, and hell, but not purgatory? If he never slept with nuns and did preach about hell, and was told the blessed Mother has no knowledge of the living history of earth, it seems unlikely she was given any information at all.

I'm going to go as far as to suggest claims of clinical death are exaggeration. Such "visions" are common artefacts of a comatose dreaming-state, especially if the victim of the coma was a faithful person to begin with.

Let's play a game of "Who am I going to believe?". Am I going to believe the young girl who had visions while comatose/clinically dead, or 2000 years of church history backed by scripture and Tradition, with unbroken lineage tracing back to the apostles of Christ themselves?

(Footnote: It is possible I have a flawed understanding of purgatory. This post is entirely conjectural.)

jbeck43 · #3 Jul 11, '11, 3:33 am

Total garbage, front to back. To impune the reputation of the Holy Father in such a way is beyond the pale. Angelica and her family need to be shown the door.

Indyann · #4 Jul 11, '11, 4:18 am

Typical anti-Catholic rubbish! I read as far as where she saw the Pope, and then the diatribe how he was idolized and so rich. I had to LOL!

This was written by an Evangelical, as she identified herself. Maybe for a creative writing class? Although I didn't read all of it, it could not merit more than a "C".

As to the poster who mentioned not seeing purgatory, they don't believe in it.

I hope nobody wastes as much time as I did reading the first half. Unless, you want to learn that the Holy Spirit has feet. Yep!

Dorothy · #5 Jul 11, '11, 4:44 am

All of Angelica's biases and misinformation came out in this so-called "revelation".

Lord have mercy!

dedo · #6 Jul 11, '11, 4:55 am

Nonsense.

HerrZJA · #7 Jul 11, '11, 5:06 am

Quote:

Originally Posted by dedo

Nonsense.

+2 for Laconic
+4 for accuracy
+1 wisdom

24. That's a hit!

AntalKalnoky · #8 Jul 11, '11, 5:17 am

Quote:

Originally Posted by CatholicZ09

Has anyone read about the visions of a girl, who was clinically dead for 23 hours and shown visions of Heaven and Hell by Our Lord? Apparently she saw many famous people in Hell including Michael Jackson, and she saw Pope John Paul II in Hell as well.

Now, I have a problem with this. Apparently the reason why Pope John Paul II is in Hell (according to her vision, anyways), is because he slept with nuns and never preached about Hell? Is Jesus a liar? Blessed John Paul II never slept with nuns and DID preach about Hell!

Then the part where she "sees" the Blessed Mother. Jesus "told" her that she has no knowledge of the happenings on earth.

What are your opinions on this girl's "revelation"?

In plain English, she's Phony! Clinical Death is less than 45 minutes No Vital Signs. The Brain starts being damaged in less than 10 minutes of Normal temperature No Blood/Oxygen Nourishment Essential for Cells.

"23 hours dead" and visions of Anyone in Hell, is 100% Phony, especially John Paul II the Great there. The Catholic Church of Our Lord has never in history found anyone In Hell or Heaven: only God knows.

Lui · #9 Jul 11, '11, 5:47 am

I just watched this video where she talks about it: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VOCGYjS5BZI

When she went down to Hell she saw a couple of celebrities, like Selena who is a famous Latin pop star. Then John Paul II and then Michael Jackson, who according to her, sold his soul to the devil to become famous and his moonwalk is the dance that the demons dance in Hell. Anyone who listens to his music will head to Hell. There was also an eight year old boy who was in Hell for watching Dragon Ball and similar cartoons. It seems like she just saw and was shown things a 17 year old from Ecuador would know about: Selena, Michael Jackson and Dragon Ball cartoons.
"The Lord told me something that is very sad and very painful. He said, "Daughter, there are many children in this place because of animated cartoons, because of rebellion."

In Heaven it was made clear that you can only get Salvation through Jesus. Mary knows nothing of what is going on on Earth, neither do the Saints. I didn't get this part but it sounded like Saints are Demons in disguise.

In other words it's an Anti-Catholic Church "vision"

Quote:

Originally Posted by CatholicZ09

Now, I have a problem with this. Apparently the reason why Pope John Paul II is in Hell (according to her vision, anyways), is because he slept with nuns and never preached about Hell? Is Jesus a liar? Blessed John Paul II never slept with nuns and DID preach about Hell!

I don't get that you assume that Jesus is a liar instead of assuming the girl might be a phony.

Bearontherun · #10 Jul 11, '11, 6:37 am

Here is more evidence that this woman's testimony cannot be trusted...

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lui

I just watched this video where she talks about it: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VOCGYjS5BZI

...then Michael Jackson, who according to her, sold his soul to the devil to become famous...

Our entire being belongs to God alone. A soul cannot be sold since it is not ours to sell in the first place.

Lui · #11 Jul 11, '11, 6:54 am

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bearontherun

Our entire being belongs to God alone. A soul cannot be sold since it is not ours to sell in the first place.

These were the exact words
"Jesus told me that many famous people were walking to that place, famous and important people. Take for example, Michael Jackson. This man was famous all over the world but he was a satanist. Although many people may not see it that way, but it is the truth. This man had satanic covenants: He came to agreement with the devil in order to achieve fame and attract many fans."

Bearontherun · #12 Jul 11, '11, 7:44 am

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lui

These were the exact words
"Jesus told me that many famous people were walking to that place, famous and important people. Take for example, Michael Jackson. This man was famous all over the world but he was a satanist. Although many people may not see it that way, but it is the truth. This man had satanic covenants: He came to agreement with the devil in order to achieve fame and attract many fans."

Thanks for the clarification. Now I see that they did not claim the "selling" of a soul.

Lui · #13 Jul 11, '11, 7:51 am

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bearontherun

Thanks for the clarification. Now I see that they did not claim the "selling" of a soul.

I first wrote that he sold his soul to the devil after watching the video. After you mentioned that a person cannot sell his soul, I looked up the specific way she said it.
Isn't "coming to an agreement" with the devil in order to achieve fame sort of the same thing?

Bearontherun · #14 Jul 11, '11, 8:09 am

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lui

I first wrote that he sold his soul to the devil after watching the video. After you mentioned that a person cannot sell his soul, I looked up the specific way she said it.
Isn't "coming to an agreement" with the devil in order to achieve fame sort of the same thing?

IMHO I suppose that an "agreement" could mean selling your soul to the devil but I think that it could also mean cooperating with him in exchange for earthly favours (like fame, wealth, etc.).

On the one hand, I don't believe selling your soul is possible, since the soul belongs to God. On the other hand, I do think that it may be possible for one to receive earthly rewards from evil for cooperating with it. All those "benefits" are of course temporary and any such "agreement" could cause one to be eternally lost.

Lui · #15 Jul 11, '11, 8:16 am

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bearontherun

On the one hand, I don't believe selling your soul is possible, since the soul belongs to God. On the other hand, I do think that it may be possible for one to receive earthly rewards from evil for cooperating with it. All those "benefits" are of course temporary and any such "agreement" could cause one to be eternally lost.

I still don't believe that Michael Jackson was a Satanist though who made an agreement with the Devil in order to gain fame and his moonwalk isn't the dance of demons. I also don't think that listening to his music will send one to Hell either.
The girl sounds like a fear-monger trying to promote her religion.