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Jan 3, '12, 8:36 am
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Planned Parenthood's "Abortions Are Just 3%" Claim is False
Planned Parenthood's "Abortions Are Just 3%" Claim is False
As we’re all VERY familiar with by now, Planned Parenthood absolutely insists that abortions only comprise 3% of their “services.” Now, even if this were an accurate representation of the truth, it would be abhorrent.
http://www.lifenews.com/2012/01/03/p...laim-is-false/
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Re: Planned Parenthood's "Abortions Are Just 3%" Claim is False
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Planned Parenthood's "Abortions Are Just 3%" Claim is False
As we’re all VERY familiar with by now, Planned Parenthood absolutely insists that abortions only comprise 3% of their “services.” Now, even if this were an accurate representation of the truth, it would be abhorrent.
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They simply need to understand that is 100% too many!
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Jan 3, '12, 10:27 am
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Re: Planned Parenthood's "Abortions Are Just 3%" Claim is False
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Originally Posted by juliee
Planned Parenthood's "Abortions Are Just 3%" Claim is False
As we’re all VERY familiar with by now, Planned Parenthood absolutely insists that abortions only comprise 3% of their “services.” Now, even if this were an accurate representation of the truth, it would be abhorrent.
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So, uh, it would be easy to dispense with that tiny fraction of its services... right? 
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Jan 3, '12, 10:34 am
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Re: Planned Parenthood's "Abortions Are Just 3%" Claim is False
So Plan B = Abortion?
Just want to make sure I got this straight.
I always viewed it on the same sin level as contraceptions but if it actually kills rather then prevents fertilization then I can see how the claim of skewed numbers is justified.
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Jan 3, '12, 10:49 am
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Re: Planned Parenthood's "Abortions Are Just 3%" Claim is False
About half of all fertilised eggs abort naturally. Many embryos and fetus die later.
http://www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/e...cle/001488.htm
Even if the criticisms of the OP and others in this thread are accepted, they must be discounted by these natural events.
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Jan 3, '12, 11:02 am
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Re: Planned Parenthood's "Abortions Are Just 3%" Claim is False
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Are you forreal?
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Jan 3, '12, 11:04 am
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Re: Planned Parenthood's "Abortions Are Just 3%" Claim is False
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Consequences of nature and acts of man are two different things.
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Jan 3, '12, 1:53 pm
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Re: Planned Parenthood's "Abortions Are Just 3%" Claim is False
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Consequences of nature and acts of man are two different things.
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Ummm - no in this case the consequences are the same: zygotes, embryos or fetuses die.
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Jan 5, '12, 6:08 am
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Re: Planned Parenthood's "Abortions Are Just 3%" Claim is False
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Ummm - no in this case the consequences are the same: zygotes, embryos or fetuses die.
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Yes, the consequences may be the same, the causes are different.
If you die of natural causes, or die because you were murdered, are those the same? The end consequence is the same, but something tells me you would prefer one over the other.
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Jan 6, '12, 8:34 am
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Re: Planned Parenthood's "Abortions Are Just 3%" Claim is False
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Yes, the consequences may be the same, the causes are different.
If you die of natural causes, or die because you were murdered, are those the same? The end consequence is the same, but something tells me you would prefer one over the other.
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Actually I think it would depend on which came first!
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Jan 6, '12, 9:35 am
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Re: Planned Parenthood's "Abortions Are Just 3%" Claim is False
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Actually I think it would depend on which came first!
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Maybe for an atheist  If I got to choose between dying tomorrow as a martyr who was killed for his belief in God, and dying 30 years from now in a state of mortal sin I would choose the former
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Jan 7, '12, 6:39 am
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Re: Planned Parenthood's "Abortions Are Just 3%" Claim is False
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Actually I think it would depend on which came first!
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Dying of murder always comes first. You can't murder someone who has already died of natural causes. Part of the definition of murder is ending a life before natural death.
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Jan 3, '12, 2:03 pm
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Re: Planned Parenthood's "Abortions Are Just 3%" Claim is False
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Consequences of nature and acts of man are two different things.
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So if a woman increases the chance of spontaneous abortion by smoking, being overweight, or having uncontrolled diabetes that is fine, but if she increases the chance of spontaneous abortion by taking oral hormones, that is unacceptable.
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Jan 3, '12, 3:00 pm
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Re: Planned Parenthood's "Abortions Are Just 3%" Claim is False
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So if a woman increases the chance of spontaneous abortion by smoking, being overweight, or having uncontrolled diabetes that is fine, but if she increases the chance of spontaneous abortion by taking oral hormones, that is unacceptable.
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Your ability to stretch a point out of context is neither admirable nor honest.
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Jan 4, '12, 10:59 am
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Re: Planned Parenthood's "Abortions Are Just 3%" Claim is False
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So if a woman increases the chance of spontaneous abortion by smoking, being overweight, or having uncontrolled diabetes that is fine, but if she increases the chance of spontaneous abortion by taking oral hormones, that is unacceptable.
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No, none of these are fine if done for the intent of preventing a child from being born. I argued exactly this point in defense of the idea that licit use of the pill is possible if it is being used solely for the intent of addressing a serious medical problem. Any of the above mentioned and the pill would be wrong if used for the intent of preventing childbirth or if ignorance of that fact could be imputed to personal responsibility.
The day after pill to my knowledge has one use and that use would never be licit because the circumstances surrounding the use of it speak towards the inherent intent in doing so.
The idea that the number of natural deaths of fertilized eggs (i.e human beings) has any bearing on the morality of killing them by means of the pill or another method is worthless. Do you also attempt to show that euthanasia is alright because 99% of humans die a natural death anyways?
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