How to gauge spiritual danger?

fakename · #1 Jan 8, '12, 2:55 pm

If demons have the ability to control all matter, then in principle, how do we know when and what type of demonic influence is more dangerous or not? Are they all equally dangerous?

If so, then are all occultists or witches equally dangerous?

Is there any way to decide this question?

DihydrogenOxide · #2 Jan 8, '12, 4:18 pm

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Originally Posted by fakename

If demons have the ability to control all matter, then in principle, how do we know when and what type of demonic influence is more dangerous or not? Are they all equally dangerous?

Any demonic influence is bad. You do know that the demons have a hierarchy like the angels, do. As the good angels have like a pyramid hierarchy, so the demons have an "upside down pyramid" hierarchy. The ones at the tip are the most powerful.

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If so, then are all occultists or witches equally dangerous?
Is there any way to decide this question?

Yes, they are all equally dangerous. The occultists and witches are in a very dangerous spot, because demons can, in essence harm them whenever they want. They are playing with fire. You could say that any of these groups are equally dangerous, because they are working with the demonic.

Arizona Fat Gir · #3 Jan 8, '12, 4:40 pm

Having recently read Gabriele Amorth's book on exorcism, the worst would be possession.
Then there is oppression, which makes life very difficult, and obsession, where the demons are attacking a person physically. This means he can beat, shove, burn, pummel, make terrible noises, and on.

Of course, there's demonic subjugation, in which an individual makes a pact with the devil, sometimes in blood. But the devil is not anyone's friend, nor does he really care about you and your happiness.

Being that I just read the book, some other things come to mind. On one occasion the devil tormented a priest driving in Italy. This priest saw two lights coming on his side of the car. Then the car started to smoke. He pulled into a gas station whereupon the car began to burn. The priest hastened out of the car, grabbed his keys, and shut the door.

Just then, the auto's engine turned on (with no key, by itself) and it began rolling like a big fireball headed towards the gasoline pumps. People around there yelled that there was someone in the car. The priest, knowing there was no one else in the car, started praying to put a stop to this tragedy about to happen.

It stopped before it could hit the pumps, but the car was destroyed.

Spiritual danger sometimes goes hand-in-hand with physical danger, so it would be wise to avoid anything doing with demons.

A witch is extremely dangerous, too. If she believes in her craft, there's no end to what she can cause. I personally know a woman who lives in Scottsdale AZ who was a wiccan. Her last house had demonic presences in it. She called in a parapsychologist and paranormal investigator. A dark presence lingered by the bedroom door, and the investigator felt it climb on his back and strangle him. He said he would not come back to the house because it was too dangerous to do. The woman had kept her black candles and other wiccan stuff under her bed, and the investigator thought that had something to do with the presence in the house.

Temptations are a great source of demon danger. But once the devil gets a foot in the door, he goes on to bigger things. He tries to alienate a person from God and once that is accomplished, he had the individual where he wants him

Little Mary · #4 Jan 8, '12, 5:25 pm

Two questions:

Explain "demons have the ability to control all matter"

also,

What is "oppression"?

Thanks

fakename · #5 Jan 8, '12, 6:05 pm

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Originally Posted by user "Little Mary"

Explain "demons have the ability to control all matter"

demons can control any material principle or anything with a material principle. That basically means, everything except other angels, God, and the human intellect (but the imagination is perhaps a different matter). I'm not sure if they can control all matter in all ways but they certain control all matter in some way.

GoldenLight · #6 Jan 8, '12, 8:21 pm

I was under attack after getting involved in Reike and then Healing touch.. It's very very real.... It's taken me a year to get from 'regret to repent' as I did inadvertantly end up doing a clearing on someone who turned out to be a Wicca and a witch... She ended up becoming a Christian, I on the other hand found I could not pray.. every time I tried to start the Rosary I would suddenly yawn and yawn and couldn't complete one prayer.In the end I stopped trying, I knew I wasn't being divinely guided, but was strong enough to ignore certain temptations placed my way... I knew I was under attack and felt dead inside.. last year I turned to CAF and asked for prayers.. I'm now able to pray, attend Mass (haven't gone to communion) I have to do make my confession, I'm hoping this week I'll finally get there!!

Been a long journey home, it's taken almost 7 years...

http://forums.catholic.com/showthread.php?t=507212 My story..

I hope will make others consider the dangers of these 'new age' healing practices..
Even up to this week I didn't fully understand that I was opening a gate... As I always prayed before I started...

someperson555 · #7 Jan 8, '12, 8:39 pm

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Originally Posted by GoldenLight

I was under attack after getting involved in Reike and then Healing touch.. It's very very real.... It's taken me a year to get from 'regret to repent' as I did inadvertantly end up doing a clearing on someone who turned out to be a Wicca and a witch... She ended up becoming a Christian, I on the other hand found I could not pray.. every time I tried to start the Rosary I would suddenly yawn and yawn and couldn't complete one prayer.In the end I stopped trying, I knew I wasn't being divinely guided, but was strong enough to ignore certain temptations placed my way... I knew I was under attack and felt dead inside.. last year I turned to CAF and asked for prayers.. I'm now able to pray, attend Mass (haven't gone to communion) I have to do make my confession, I'm hoping this week I'll finally get there!!

Been a long journey home, it's taken almost 7 years...

http://forums.catholic.com/showthread.php?t=507212 My story..

I hope will make others consider the dangers of these 'new age' healing practices..
Even up to this week I didn't fully understand that I was opening a gate... As I always prayed before I started...

well, reiki is a form of energy healing, isnt it? i never knew it was an occult practice, i just thought it was like yoga or tai chi. i think what counts here is the intention of the practitioner. and how he sees it.

DihydrogenOxide · #8 Jan 8, '12, 9:46 pm

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well, reiki is a form of energy healing, isnt it? i never knew it was an occult practice, i just thought it was like yoga or tai chi. i think what counts here is the intention of the practitioner. and how he sees it.

Reiki is a New Age practice that is incompatible with the Faith.

If the action is evil, intention does not matter. They are still playing with fire. Can you play with a ouija board with good intentions and still get yourself into hot water? Sure.

Think of the boy whom The Exorcist was written about.

Bix · #9 Jan 8, '12, 10:14 pm

Fakename,
I've noticed in the past many of your posts are regarding the occult, possession, etc. I recall you mentioning in one of them that you were around or had met several posseessed people as well as being "grossed out by them".... Is there something more to your questions which you can elaborate on?

God Bless

fakename · #10 Jan 9, '12, 12:27 pm

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Originally Posted by user "Bix"

Fakename,
I've noticed in the past many of your posts are regarding the occult, possession, etc. I recall you mentioning in one of them that you were around or had met several posseessed people as well as being "grossed out by them".... Is there something more to your questions which you can elaborate on?

God Bless

I meant "if" I met such people (for some reason the posters don't accept that hypotheticals don't equal factual statements).

God Bless

Patavium · #11 Jan 9, '12, 2:11 pm

God is love, and He lets free will. If you need Him to protect you from spiritual attacks or even anything, just call HIM!. Do not be afraid of God, Call HIS NAME, and pray!.

sunlight55 · #12 Jan 9, '12, 3:26 pm

If someone is discerning what they think is causing his/her medical problem, puts it in a bottle, adds water and then squirts drops of it into his/her mouth all day long, do you think this is a dangerous new age practice or just natural medicine.

fakename · #13 Jan 9, '12, 4:11 pm

So do you think that (if all spiritual danger is equal) purchasing something from a store that employs an occultist is just as dangerous as being in the presence of an incarnate demon?

Or are some spiritual dangers worse than others? Because I heard a priest say that we are not to avoid sinners, even very bad ones (and occultists are very bad).

DihydrogenOxide · #14 Jan 9, '12, 4:21 pm

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So do you think that (if all spiritual danger is equal) purchasing something from a store that employs an occultist is just as dangerous as being in the presence of an incarnate demon?

Wha? You're going to have to elaborate.

Are you saying being near a possessed person vs an occultist or are you saying a demon manifest vs an occultist?

Either way is dangerous. Stay in the state of grace.

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Or are some spiritual dangers worse than others? Because I heard a priest say that we are not to avoid sinners, even very bad ones (and occultists are very bad).

Well, I'm guessing the priest means people who are just your normal, everyday sinners, not occultists. He may also not be aware of the dangers of the occult. Just avoid them. Pray for them from afar.

fakename · #15 Jan 9, '12, 6:15 pm

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Originally Posted by user "DihydrogenOxide"

Wha? You're going to have to elaborate.

Are you saying being near a possessed person vs an occultist or are you saying a demon manifest vs an occultist?

Either way is dangerous. Stay in the state of grace.

I'm saying that if you buy a brand of groceries from a company (which is not the market itself, say if you buy something from vons, of the Kellogg brand) then is the presence of an occultist-employee in that brand-company a source of danger?