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Old Feb 21, '12, 2:23 pm
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Default What is it that homosexuals really want?

What is it that they want that they don't already have? Most the marriage benifits are due towards a family. So why do they want family benifits and what exactly do they want?[
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Old Feb 21, '12, 3:04 pm
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They want their disordered desires and actions to be mainstreamed, normalized, and approved of.
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Old Feb 21, '12, 3:38 pm
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I think we have to distinguish between demands and desires.

I think we should accept and affirm the homosexual as a member and minority within society. I can think of more than a few people who would like a throwback to the 1980's when homosexuals were horribly stigmatized and almost no one cared about them.
Thank God we've come a long way from that.

I think most homosexuals want to be accepted for who they are. What we should not have to affirm is same-sex marriage and rampant sexual promiscuity. I think people here on CAF have trouble accepting people who identify as gay or lesbian; or are content to just deal with their homosexual identity without therapy.

Here's the basic principle you have to accept their homosexual orientation. But you don't have to accept the behavior or agenda.

And I think there is still a lot of work to be done in terms of outreach and pastoral care.

I remind everyone what the Catechism says "They must be accepted with respect, compassion, and sensitivity. Every sign of unjust discrimination in their regard should be avoided."

By refusing to accept a person on the basis of their homosexual identity/orientation is unjust discrimination.

Feel free however to object to homosexual behavior and marriage of course.
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Old Feb 21, '12, 4:14 pm
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They want their disordered desires and actions to be mainstreamed, normalized, and approved of.
......because they know deep down it's wrong, so they need their wrongs to be accepted so they can feel secure. (their actions and behaviours are wrong, not the same-sex attraction which cannot be helped)

We have to make it clear though, that we are not talking about the good honest man (woman) who struggles with SSA and who immerses himself in the glory of the Faith, rather the "proud out, I can do whatever I want" type.
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Default Re: What is it that homosexuals really want?

Only took two replies for someone to bring the notion of "SSA" into the mix. That was quick. Nevermind that the term is nowhere in the Catechism and the term doesn't exist outside of CAF circles.
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Old Feb 21, '12, 4:33 pm
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Only took two replies for someone to bring the notion of "SSA" into the mix. That was quick. Nevermind that the term is nowhere in the Catechism and the term doesn't exist outside of CAF circles.
It's the homosexual version of the concept of concupiscence
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Old Feb 21, '12, 4:52 pm
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Only took two replies for someone to bring the notion of "SSA" into the mix. That was quick. Nevermind that the term is nowhere in the Catechism and the term doesn't exist outside of CAF circles.
What are you talking about? Have you never read paragraph 2358?
"...men and women who have deep-seated homosexual tendencies ..."

Or maybe you not understand that this is identical to saying "those with SSA." Of course, this is different than talking about people who perform homosexual actions. See the difference?
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Only took two replies for someone to bring the notion of "SSA" into the mix. That was quick. Nevermind that the term is nowhere in the Catechism and the term doesn't exist outside of CAF circles.
Google "Same Sex Attraction" and you will find that it's in fairly widespread usage. I certainly had heard it long before joining CAF. Sorry to nitpick, but I just wondered why the term seems to offend you. It seems pretty neutral, non-controversial, and accurate to me.
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Only took two replies for someone to bring the notion of "SSA" into the mix. That was quick. Nevermind that the term is nowhere in the Catechism and the term doesn't exist outside of CAF circles.

I give up, what is SSA?
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I give up, what is SSA?
SSA - um, Simply. Silly. Argument.

Yeah, that's it.
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And I may have been wearing a certain identifier on my wrist that gave it away... Think rainbow though this was before I was in RCIA.
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I give up, what is SSA?
Same Sex Attraction. It is the act of homosexual sex that is the sin, not the attraction.
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......because they know deep down it's wrong, so they need their wrongs to be accepted so they can feel secure.
Short, sweet, accurate.
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They want the right to marry their partner.
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I think we have to distinguish between demands and desires.

I think we should accept and affirm the homosexual as a member and minority within society. I can think of more than a few people who would like a throwback to the 1980's when homosexuals were horribly stigmatized and almost no one cared about them.
Thank God we've come a long way from that.

I think most homosexuals want to be accepted for who they are. What we should not have to affirm is same-sex marriage and rampant sexual promiscuity. I think people here on CAF have trouble accepting people who identify as gay or lesbian; or are content to just deal with their homosexual identity without therapy.

Here's the basic principle you have to accept their homosexual orientation. But you don't have to accept the behavior or agenda.

And I think there is still a lot of work to be done in terms of outreach and pastoral care.

I remind everyone what the Catechism says "They must be accepted with respect, compassion, and sensitivity. Every sign of unjust discrimination in their regard should be avoided."

By refusing to accept a person on the basis of their homosexual identity/orientation is unjust discrimination.

Feel free however to object to homosexual behavior and marriage of course.
actually you are expressing an erroneous opinion and interpretation. the statement "they must be accepted, etc" refers to the PERSON, not the identity or the inclination or the sin. the person. you are embracing the error that the disorder equals the person.
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