What do Baptists believe?

Jane of Arc · #1 Apr 11, '12, 6:58 am

Sunday afternoon a good friend came by with her daughter whom I had not seen for about 4 yrs. We were talking about our gardens when all of a sudden her daughter 40 yrs. old...........asked me "do Catholics worship statues?".

I hadn't been asked such a thing in years & I truly thought that idea had been put to rest. I really don't think my friend or her daughter are what you would call 'devout Baptists', but I can"t help but wonder if this false belief.......... that we pray to statues........is taught from the pulpit?

I've never posted on the non-Catholic forum before & I'm not being confrontational. I'm just wondering if this came from her great-Grandmother or if it's Baptist belief.

MaryandJoseph · #2 Apr 11, '12, 7:08 am

I have gone to a few Baptist churches, and from what I heard from the pulpit and from the pastors, YES, they teach and believe that we worship(or at least give Mary WAYYYY to much credit), Works Salvation is another thing they teach that we "believe"

Communion is re "rememberance", as in how we shoot off fireworks and have a picnic for the 4th of July, Jesus said to have communion as a way of remembering what He gave up for us(no lie, this is exactly what the pastor said at a friends church on their communion day) He did NOT mean that it was His actual Body and Blood

They see us praying before a statue and automatically assume we "worship" the thing

Which Baptist though?,,,Their are at least 4 major "flavors" of Baptist that I know of, each with differing doctrin and belief (or else there would be only one baptist..ya think?

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These are just some of the things that i remember from attending baptist churches with friends, but the list of misunderstandings and outright lies are many.

peace2u2 · #3 Apr 12, '12, 9:56 am

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Originally Posted by MaryandJoseph

I have gone to a few Baptist churches, and from what I heard from the pulpit and from the pastors, YES, they teach and believe that we worship(or at least give Mary WAYYYY to much credit),

These are just some of the things that i remember from attending baptist churches with friends, but the list of misunderstandings and outright lies are many.

I just couldn't help but wonder when I read your quote, the part about, "YES, they (baptist churches) teach and believe that we worship or at least give Mary WAYYYY to much credit". . . well, doesn't Mary deserve that honor and credit?

Under the circumstances that she was in, not married, very young, poor and pregnant. . . today, if you fit those circumstances, we are taught the misunderstanding and lie of abortion.

Give credit where credit is due.

Hail Mary,
Full of Grace,
The Lord is with thee.
Blessed art thou among women,
and blessed is the fruit
of thy womb, Jesus.
Holy Mary,
Mother of God,
pray for us sinners now,
and at the hour of death.
Amen.

Jane of Arc · #4 Apr 12, '12, 1:51 pm

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Originally Posted by peace2u2

I just couldn't help but wonder when I read your quote, the part about, "YES, they (baptist churches) teach and believe that we worship or at least give Mary WAYYYY to much credit". . . well, doesn't Mary deserve that honor and credit?

Under the circumstances that she was in, not married, very young, poor and pregnant. . . today, if you fit those circumstances, we are taught the misunderstanding and lie of abortion.

Give credit where credit is due.

Hail Mary,
Full of Grace,
The Lord is with thee.
Blessed art thou among women,
and blessed is the fruit
of thy womb, Jesus.
Holy Mary,
Mother of God,
pray for us sinners now,
and at the hour of death.
Amen.

While I don't worship Mary, I feel that many women are like me......feeling especially close to her. She is a Mom who saw her Son beaten, spit upon, crucified. I remember a day that we got a cancer scare re. our daughter. I panicked & just kept repeating in my head, "Please God, no..........she's only 21........please God, let her be OK. please God, no. Then I Remember feeling calm & realizing that Mary was praying with me........she knows, she's a Mother. My daughter did not have cancer, but I'll never forget how many people & saints I had praying WITH me. Mother Mary stayed with me during the nights, I could feel when she "Took over" with the prayers & God let me sleep.

peace2u2 · #5 Apr 13, '12, 8:39 am

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Originally Posted by Jane of Arc

Mother Mary stayed with me during the nights, I could feel when she "Took over" with the prayers & God let me sleep.

Really beautiful. Thank you for sharing a piece of your heart.

JustaServant · #6 Apr 11, '12, 7:14 am

Speaking as one who attended Baptist churches for 20 years.
Yes they teach Catholics worship statues, and Mary, and the Saints, and the Pope.....

Aeden · #7 Apr 11, '12, 7:40 am

People still believe that we worship statues and saints? I don't know whether to laugh or cry about this! This is something that has been expressly debunked by the Church, no? Are there some Catholics who actually think that we do that?

Splagchnizomai · #8 Apr 11, '12, 7:53 am

Do the Baptists think about us more than we think about them? I've never heard a homily that even mentioned the Baptists, yet I've read (anecdotally) that Baptists are often preaching about & against Catholics.

Amazing how ignorance and anti-Catholicism run hand-in-hand with some of our brothers in Christ.

Prayer for the Unity of Christians
(Pro christianorum unitate oratio)

Almighty and eternal God,
you gather the scattered sheep
and watch over those you have gathered.
Look kindly on all who follow Jesus, your Son.
You have marked them with the seal of one baptism;
now make them one in the fullness of faith
and unite them in the bond of love.

We ask this through Christ our Lord. Amen.

The Handbook of Indulgences, #44 (1991)

bmullins · #9 Apr 11, '12, 8:04 am

As a recent convert of the Baptist faith I can say that not all baptists believe that we worship statues and saints, but many of them do. I have heard it preached from the pulpit in several churches. I've also been told by some of my baptist friends that I will go to hell because I converted to Catholicism.

Blacksword · #10 Apr 11, '12, 8:18 am

My family are Baptist, and I would say havig grown up in that tradition that generally they think Catholics believe in salvation based on works, that sacraments and the real presence are not scriptural, and that Catholic theology has a lot of extra stuff in it not supported by the Binle that was added on over time such as purgatory, the communion of saints, etc. they generally believe in private interpretation and private confession to God, and the doctrines of Sola Scriptura and eternal security of salvation. Gentle showing of the scriptural basis for Catholic beliefs, and correction of misconceptions goes a long way to achieving understanding.

maltmom · #11 Apr 11, '12, 7:51 pm

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Originally Posted by Blacksword

My family are Baptist, and I would say havig grown up in that tradition that generally they think Catholics believe in salvation based on works, that sacraments and the real presence are not scriptural, and that Catholic theology has a lot of extra stuff in it not supported by the Binle that was added on over time such as purgatory, the communion of saints, etc. they generally believe in private interpretation and private confession to God, and the doctrines of Sola Scriptura and eternal security of salvation. Gentle showing of the scriptural basis for Catholic beliefs, and correction of misconceptions goes a long way to achieving understanding.

I've only been Catholic for 4 days. As an ex-Baptist I've been trying to think of something that Blacksword left out. Nope, he/she got it all right. I live in a very Baptist area. I've been very fortunate. My Baptist friends have asked me a lot of questions and I've been able to tell them what we have always thought to be true and what the church really teaches.

peace2u2 · #12 Apr 12, '12, 10:00 am

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Originally Posted by maltmom

I've only been Catholic for 4 days. As an ex-Baptist I've been trying to think of something that Blacksword left out. Nope, he/she got it all right. I live in a very Baptist area. I've been very fortunate. My Baptist friends have asked me a lot of questions and I've been able to tell them what we have always thought to be true and what the church really teaches.

God Bless You, as from you post, Its apparent that God is calling you to convert souls for Him through the truth of His Catholic Church. Remember, kind words work wonders.
Peace.

maltmom · #13 Apr 12, '12, 11:36 am

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Originally Posted by peace2u2

God Bless You, as from you post, Its apparent that God is calling you to convert souls for Him through the truth of His Catholic Church. Remember, kind words work wonders.
Peace.

Thank you peace2u2.

Coming from a strong protestant background I can tell you one problem and that's what Catholics say and what protestants hear. When a Catholic says "I'm going to pray to Mary or one of the saints for you" a protestant hears that the Catholic is saying that Mary or the saint will bring about whatever you need, not that God has done it. If the Catholic would speak in words that the protestant understands like "I'll pray and ask Mary or one of the saints to join us in prayer to God" then the protestant although still confused would hear something closer to the truth.

I'm certainly not saying that the Catholic is wrong in what they are saying. I'm trying to show the difference in perception as to what the words mean.

peace2u2 · #14 Apr 13, '12, 8:35 am

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Originally Posted by maltmom

Thank you peace2u2.

Coming from a strong protestant background I can tell you one problem and that's what Catholics say and what protestants hear. When a Catholic says "I'm going to pray to Mary or one of the saints for you" a protestant hears that the Catholic is saying that Mary or the saint will bring about whatever you need, not that God has done it. If the Catholic would speak in words that the protestant understands like "I'll pray and ask Mary or one of the saints to join us in prayer to God" then the protestant although still confused would hear something closer to the truth.

I'm certainly not saying that the Catholic is wrong in what they are saying. I'm trying to show the difference in perception as to what the words mean.

I think your post is important about what your wrote about "I can tell you one problem and that what Catholics say and what Protestants hear."

Regarding intercessory prayer by means of praying The Rosary to our Blessed Mother Mary, I once listened to this lovely lady explain it quite beautifully. . .

As you pray The Rosary and reflect on one of the Mysteries and offer up prayer, picture in your mind, Jesus sitting and listening to our prayer requests and behind Jesus is a curtain. And behind the curtain, stands Mary. She is weeping with compassion and love for her children, us, and she steps from behind the curtain and says to her Son, Jesus, 'If not for them, (meaning granting our prayer request), then please for me". And, He always does.

Our prayers may not be answered the way we would like, but God knows what is best for us and always answers our prayers nonetheless.

God Bless.

Jane of Arc · #15 Apr 11, '12, 3:53 pm

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Originally Posted by Splagchnizomai

Do the Baptists think about us more than we think about them? I've never heard a homily that even mentioned the Baptists, yet I've read (anecdotally) that Baptists are often preaching about & against Catholics.

It's crazy isn't it. Spending time during their sermon spreading falsehoods about another faith. No, I've never heard a priest mention another religion from the pulpit......or anytime. How could anyone waste time putting another religion down when they have a Church full of people waiting to hear the Word?

Prayer for the Unity of Christians
(Pro christianorum unitate oratio)

Almighty and eternal God,
you gather the scattered sheep
and watch over those you have gathered.
Look kindly on all who follow Jesus, your Son.
You have marked them with the seal of one baptism;
now make them one in the fullness of faith
and unite them in the bond of love.

We ask this through Christ our Lord. Amen.

The Handbook of Indulgences, #44 (1991)

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AMEN!! And thanks to all of you who answered!