the same thing

dvdjs · #1 May 6, '12, 2:13 pm

For all the Orthodox who want to defend differences, and complain about Catholics saying that we are really the same I am happy to relate this experience.

We had an EO priest serving today whom I had not met before. Chatting during coffee, he asked where I was originally from. When I answered, he said: That is a center of Orthodoxy in America. I replied that I am a Byzantine Catholic. He said: "Oh it's the same thing."

John of Patmos · #2 May 6, '12, 2:14 pm

Really?
Interesting.

dvdjs · #3 May 6, '12, 2:19 pm

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Originally Posted by John of Patmos

Really?
Interesting.

Really.

John of Patmos · #4 May 6, '12, 2:21 pm

He has a point.
Liturgy, spirituality...
Many things are the same.

dvdjs · #5 May 6, '12, 2:29 pm

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Originally Posted by John of Patmos

He has a point.

I didn't argue. I just thanked him for the breath of fresh air.

John of Patmos · #6 May 6, '12, 2:37 pm

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Originally Posted by dvdjs

I didn't argue. I just thanked him for the breath of fresh air.

I see hope with things like this, or when Orthodox acknowledge that Catholic Sacraments are legitimate.

ChibiViolet · #7 May 6, '12, 3:02 pm

Well, they are different. The Orthodox are not in line with Rome.

Hesychios · #8 May 6, '12, 3:58 pm

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Originally Posted by ChibiViolet

Well, they are different. The Orthodox are not in line with Rome.

Rome is not in line with Holy Orthodoxy.

beehumble · #9 May 6, '12, 7:34 pm

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Originally Posted by Hesychios

Rome is not in line with Holy Orthodoxy.

God gave Miriam leprosy for seven days because she was not in line with 'Rome' - she disagreed with God that only Moses should be the head. There is only one head of God's household - He said so to Moses - and He made "Peter" the head.

God bless you.

Hesychios · #10 May 6, '12, 8:55 pm

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Originally Posted by beehumble

God gave Miriam leprosy for seven days because she was not in line with 'Rome' - she disagreed with God that only Moses should be the head. There is only one head of God's household - He said so to Moses - and He made "Peter" the head.

Peter was Orthodox.

Peter was praised for his faith.

To be Orthodox is to have the faith of Peter.

Old Rome has changed, it is not in line with Holy Orthodoxy.

Orthodox bishops are Peter.

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God bless you.

God bless you too!

DadDave · #11 May 7, '12, 10:12 am

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Originally Posted by Hesychios

Old Rome has changed, it is not in line with Holy Orthodoxy.

Old Roman is that where the Old Catholics are from? (kidding)

steve b · #12 May 7, '12, 2:24 pm

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Originally Posted by Hesychios

Peter was Orthodox.
Peter was praised for his faith.
To be Orthodox is to have the faith of Peter.
Old Rome has changed, it is not in line with Holy Orthodoxy.
Orthodox bishops are Peter.
God bless you too!

"Old" Rome? As opposed to "new" Rome perhaps?
Constantinople once was refered to as "new Rome" only because the emperor moved from Rome to Byzantium. But even with the move, here's the historical ranking of Sees even after Byzantium became Constantinople the new seat of the emperor

1. Rome (chair of Peter)
2. Byzantium, Constantinople, "new Rome," chair of the emperor, Istanbul
3. Alexandria
4. Antioch
5. Jerusalem

Constantinople usurping for itself 2nd place in the 4th century ahead of Alexandria, Antioch and Jerusalem was purely political. And as one can see, it ultimately couldn't retain any of it's names, or titles.

Rome is still #1 not because it WAS the seat of the emperors, but because it's the chair of Peter.

Re: your point about [O]rthodox, I have the following point.
From their writings, the name of the Church these Fathers belonged to was

Ignatius of Antioch [Catholic Church “letter to Smyrna”]
Polycarp [Catholic Church “Martyrdom of Polycarp”]
Irenaeus [Catholic Church “Against heresies” Bk 1 ch 10,]
Clement of Alexandria [Catholic Church “Stromata Bk 7 ch 17]
Cyprian [Catholic Church epistle’s 72, & 75 also Unity of the Catholic Church]
Cyril of Jerusalem [Catholic Church “catechetical letters”]

The Catholic Church is an article of faith in the creed at Nicea. That covers the 1st 300 years of the Church.

For my education, could you point out from Church writings, the 1st time "Orthodox Church" was used as a name?

Thanks in advance

DadDave · #13 May 6, '12, 4:11 pm

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Originally Posted by ChibiViolet

Well, they are different. The Orthodox are not in line with Rome.

*sigh* Really? You really had to say that...
Because saying that is really going to entice unity, or is it justify your own triumphalism?

Mark of Ephesus · #14 May 6, '12, 5:05 pm

You will meet priests of all types. When I was discerning Orthodoxy, I had an Orthodox priest tell me to speak with my Catholic spiritual director about what I should do.

You can find this strain of ecumenism from time to time. Unfortunate? Yes, but it is not representative of our faith. The ones who have seen the Uncreated Light speak loudly and clearly against this line of thinking.

Nine_Two · #15 May 6, '12, 5:16 pm

There is also such a thing as being polite.

Had he said "Oh, well I guess that's different then" I'm sure your conversation would have ended awkwardly and the two of you would have avoided talking to each other any more.

I've also noticed that in North America Orthodoxy and Eastern Catholicism tend to grow in parallel. So when talking about places where there are lots of Orthodox, you really are talking about the same things if you bring up Eastern Catholics.

Even then, one priest saying that the two are the same doesn't prove all of us here wrong. One thing that distinguishes us from Catholics is that we don't believe that any individual is infallible under any conditions.