What is this Chant called? Help Please!!

mymamamary · #1 May 12, '12, 3:32 pm

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Hey, does anyone here know the title of the chant in this video? i heard it in becket and i love it, but i dont know the name! and i just cant figure it out!!!

http://gloria.tv/?media=248958

I need help as i love the chant, but i just cant name it!!!

**ProVobis** · #2 May 12, '12, 3:35 pm

That would be the Dies Irae

http://www.franciscan-archive.org/de.../diesirae.html

Megan7 · #3 May 12, '12, 4:15 pm

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Originally Posted by ProVobis

That would be the Dies Irae

http://www.franciscan-archive.org/de.../diesirae.html

Awesome! Thanks so much!

God Bless,

PAX

mymamamary · #4 May 12, '12, 5:06 pm

THANK YOU SO MUCH! I really loved the Chant, i never though it would be the Dies Irea though, I am a big fan of gregorian chant (if your catholic, how can you not be???) its so heavenly, and this particular one is pretty morbid and scary, yet i guess thats why they put this in Becket at the Excommunication scene. Precisley because of the finality conveyed by the chant. Anyone else love Chant??? put y'all hands in the air

(i love country too)

Windmill · #5 May 13, '12, 11:49 am

I love chant, so, 9 years ago, my buddy and I started the Brazos Valley Schola Cantorum.

The Dies Irae is classic. Too bad it was removed from the Mass after Vatican II. Here's a chant we've cherished for over 800 years, and it was removed. They retained part of it in the Office, but it was truncated. And since no one prays the Office in Latin, it basically was killed.

A leading figure in the post-conciliar liturgical reforms, Archbishop Annibale Bugnini, explains the mind of the cardinals and bishops who were members of the consilium:

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They got rid of texts that smacked of a negative spirituality inherited from the Middle Ages. Thus they removed such familiar and even beloved texts as the "Libera me, Domine", the "Dies Iræ", and others that overemphasized judgment, fear, and despair. These they replaced with texts urging Christian hope and arguably giving more effective expression to faith in the resurrection.

independentDemo · #6 May 13, '12, 2:05 pm

it is powerful and one of the best...

ByzCathCantor · #7 May 13, '12, 3:20 pm

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Originally Posted by Windmill

A leading figure in the post-conciliar liturgical reforms, Archbishop Annibale Bugnini, explains the mind of the cardinals and bishops who were members of the consilium:

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They got rid of texts that smacked of a negative spirituality inherited from the Middle Ages. Thus they removed such familiar and even beloved texts as the "Libera me, Domine", the "Dies Iræ", and others that overemphasized judgment, fear, and despair. These they replaced with texts urging Christian hope and arguably giving more effective expression to faith in the resurrection.

That quote speaks volumes on the present state of worship, nearly 50 years post-VII.

While once can acknowledge some merit, we do truly worship an omnipotent and all powerful, yet ever-loving God. While it may seem much to focus on these aspects of our God during the celebration of the Resurrection in the Mass, surely there is a place for such reflection (say, during the Lenten season), where we strive to restore a humility necessary in achieving salvation.

YoungTradCath · #8 May 13, '12, 3:27 pm

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Originally Posted by ByzCathCantor

That quote speaks volumes on the present state of worship, nearly 50 years post-VII.

While once can acknowledge some merit, we do truly worship an omnipotent and all powerful, yet ever-loving God. While it may seem much to focus on these aspects of our God during the celebration of the Resurrection in the Mass, surely there is a place for such reflection (say, during the Lenten season), where we strive to restore a humility necessary in achieving salvation.

I don't understand if you are opposed to this or are for it.

ByzCathCantor · #9 May 13, '12, 3:43 pm

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Originally Posted by YoungTradCath

I don't understand if you are opposed to this or are for it.

As an Eastern Catholic, I can appreciate a desire to emphasize the joyous Resurrection in the celebration of the Mass, which is consistent with Eastern expression in the Divine Liturgy.

Dies Irae sets a decidedly different tone.

Yet, as a traditional Catholic who also loves the chant tradition, I do feel such treasures can and should be reserved to a rightful place in liturgical worship, suggesting perhaps (in my post) that such could be used for pious reflection during Lent. That such a masterpiece as Dies Irae was suppressed entirely is truly unfortunate, and it would be nice to see if it could be restored in a meaningful way.

mattkubes · #10 May 13, '12, 4:12 pm

This is my favourite recording:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dlr90NLDp-0

And it hasn't been removed for me - it was chanted at the last daily Requiem Mass I attended (complete with empty coffin draped in black). Thank God for the TLM.

**ProVobis** · #11 May 13, '12, 6:46 pm

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Originally Posted by mattkubes

This is my favourite recording:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dlr90NLDp-0

And it hasn't been removed for me - it was chanted at the last daily Requiem Mass I attended (complete with empty coffin draped in black). Thank God for the TLM.

It seems many EF's around Nov. 2 have a Requiem or Solemn Requiem Mass which incorporates the Dies Irae (Day of Wrath) chant. My parish generally brings out quite a big crowd for this event. Pre-Vatican II had many more Masses for the Dead and Funeral Masses in which this chant was sung. The celebrant normally wears black for these Masses.

newyorkcatholic · #12 May 15, '12, 8:34 am

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Originally Posted by ProVobis

It seems many EF's around Nov. 2 have a Requiem or Solemn Requiem Mass which incorporates the Dies Irae (Day of Wrath) chant. My parish generally brings out quite a big crowd for this event. Pre-Vatican II had many more Masses for the Dead and Funeral Masses in which this chant was sung. The celebrant normally wears black for these Masses.

Yep!

If not sung, it would still be spoken by the priest at the altar.

newyorkcatholic · #13 May 15, '12, 8:33 am

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Originally Posted by ByzCathCantor

As an Eastern Catholic, I can appreciate a desire to emphasize the joyous Resurrection in the celebration of the Mass, which is consistent with Eastern expression in the Divine Liturgy.

Dies Irae sets a decidedly different tone.

Yet, as a traditional Catholic who also loves the chant tradition, I do feel such treasures can and should be reserved to a rightful place in liturgical worship, suggesting perhaps (in my post) that such could be used for pious reflection during Lent. That such a masterpiece as Dies Irae was suppressed entirely is truly unfortunate, and it would be nice to see if it could be restored in a meaningful way.

Lent could be interesting. It's actually a chant for Requiems (and All Souls Day). Neverw would be done on a regular Sunday or Easter Octave or anything.

Unlike Bugnini, I think we both agree that meditating on Death and Judgment is not a hindrance to Faith in the Resurrection - they are both important.

The Requiem Mass had a number of little differences to emphasize that this Mass was for the benefit of the deceased more so than the people assisting. (Of course a Requiem Mass is infinitely valuable for all, but the emphasis was on the dead).

OraLabora · #14 May 15, '12, 8:41 am

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Originally Posted by Windmill

I love chant, so, 9 years ago, my buddy and I started the Brazos Valley Schola Cantorum.

The Dies Irae is classic. Too bad it was removed from the Mass after Vatican II. Here's a chant we've cherished for over 800 years, and it was removed. They retained part of it in the Office, but it was truncated. And since no one prays the Office in Latin, it basically was killed.

A leading figure in the post-conciliar liturgical reforms, Archbishop Annibale Bugnini, explains the mind of the cardinals and bishops who were members of the consilium:

A bit of clarification is needed here. First of all it wasn't truncated but rather divided between Vigils, Lauds and Vespers. New doxogies were composed for the new sections, and some texts were changed.

Also, plenty of people do recite the Office in Latin: most monks of the Solesmes congregation (Benedictines), and of other congregations and orders. And I myself also chant the Office in Latin daily. So it is still alive and well during the 34th week in Ordinary Time.

newyorkcatholic · #15 May 15, '12, 9:09 am

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Originally Posted by OraLabora

A bit of clarification is needed here. First of all it wasn't truncated but rather divided between Vigils, Lauds and Vespers. New doxogies were composed for the new sections, and some texts were changed.

Also, plenty of people do recite the Office in Latin: most monks of the Solesmes congregation (Benedictines), and of other congregations and orders. And I myself also chant the Office in Latin daily. So it is still alive and well during the 34th week in Ordinary Time.

Right, the Dies Irae was not actually abolished. Just virtually abolished. So alive, but not quite "alive and well."

I'm sincerely glad you and other Benedictines still use it in the Latin LOTH, but it was once something that the average parishioner heard regularly.

We need to hear it regularly again! We are still mortal, even after Vatican II.