Steubenville-Really??

[T More]

How representative is this of Franciscan University of Steubenville?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d-Eg7...hannel&list=UL

If this is pretty much the way the spirituality is there, oy vey....

[Rich C]

Originally Posted by T More

How representative is this of Franciscan University of Steubenville?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d-Eg7...hannel&list=UL

If this is pretty much the way the spirituality is there, oy vey....

In my two trips to their youth conference it was always very loud (I mean the thing happening on stage) but not Protestant-esque like that gathering. Sometimes I just had to go out in the hallway so I could actually pray, but they were respectful of that. I just kneeled during praise and worship adoration and prayed my rosary with some other kids, and nobody cajoled us into acting exuberantly. I wouldn't worry about Steubenville. They do there own thing, but they teach the Faith in their quieter moments.

[Mike30]

Not all but a great many of the people there are pretty deeply involved with the Charismatic Renewal Movement. Those gatherings do get very loud and if one osn't used to it quite disconcerting to say the least.

That being said Steubenville is a very good University religion there is taken very seriously.

[manualman]

Originally Posted by T More

If this is pretty much the way the spirituality is there, oy vey....

If your position summarizes to "charismatic spirituality is from the devil" then it's fair to say Steubenville ain't for you. Are you not aware that FUS was (less so today) one of the major centers of the US charismatic renewal? All legitimate expressions of catholic spirituality are welcome there, but don't expect them to lock the others out and give your preferences the high seat. They basically take the approach "If Rome is OK with it, we are OK with it." And frankly, you could do a LOT worse for a set of guiding religious principles.

[1ke]

Originally Posted by T More

How representative is this of Franciscan University of Steubenville?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d-Eg7...hannel&list=UL

If this is pretty much the way the spirituality is there, oy vey....

There are many types of spirituality. Charismatic praise and worship is one style. (and note this was NOT Mass).

They also have an EF Mass at Steubenville.

What's your point?

[Friar David, O.Carm]

Originally Posted by 1ke

There are many types of spirituality. Charismatic praise and worship is one style. (and note this was NOT Mass).

They also have an EF Mass at Steubenville.

What's your point?

There was a thread sometime ago about this.

Franciscan University does not offer the EF Mass. The EF Mass that is offered in Steubenvilleis at a parish that is very close to the campus.

That is unless the Franciscans changed their minds and started offering it.

The thread was a complaint thread against FU because it did not offer the EF when some students wanted it.

[corsair]

Interesting discussion so far. I must admit that I just do not "connect" with the modern spirituality of any of the orders, including Franciscan. Not saying that I consider them wrong, just saying that it doesn't "touch" me in any way.

I'll stay with the EF and the reverence shown there.

[Friar David, O.Carm]

Originally Posted by corsair

Interesting discussion so far. I must admit that I just do not "connect" with the modern spirituality of any of the orders, including Franciscan. Not saying that I consider them wrong, just saying that it doesn't "touch" me in any way.

I'll stay with the EF and the reverence shown there.

As a Carmelite I must say that this usage troubles me.

Our spirituality is Carmelite Spirituality. No modern or any other prefix to it.

[PeterJohn]

If Rome is good with it, who am I to argue! But the adoration service seemed like it left something to be desired... Reverence?

[maryjk]

Originally Posted by PeterJohn

If Rome is good with it, who am I to argue! But the adoration service seemed like it left something to be desired... Reverence?

Maybe I missed something, but it seemed like everyone was kneeling. And on a hard floor. It seemed like it was Exposition, when there is normally a song or prayer recited.

What were you looking for?

[TimothyH]

Originally Posted by corsair

Interesting discussion so far. I must admit that I just do not "connect" with the modern spirituality of any of the orders, including Franciscan. Not saying that I consider them wrong, just saying that it doesn't "touch" me in any way.

I'll stay with the EF and the reverence shown there.

Modern???

Carmelite spirituality is 2500 years old. The prophet Elijah is one of the models of the Order, not to mention the Blessed Virgin.


-Tim-

[Friar David, O.Carm]

Originally Posted by TimothyH

Modern???

Carmelite spirituality is 2500 years old. The prophet Elijah is one of the models of the Order, not to mention the Blessed Virgin.


-Tim-

I think he was disparaging what he views as Franciscan Spirituality from the Charismatic service in the video at Franciscan University. I mentioned Carmelites because he used the word "orders" along with "modern" so I objected.

I would also like to point out that this was a Charismatic service and not representative of Franciscan Spirituality but one of Charismatic Spirituality.

While people may mix them they are not the same thing.

[Dan Daly]

FSU has a lot of good things going on. They also have a lot of problems. That's not suprising since FSU is made of people, and all of us have lots problems.

Chief positives I've seen from FSU:
- a sincere enthusiasm for the Faith
- great devotion to the Blessed Sacrament
- a very active group of students who pray for an end to abortion.

Chief negatives I've seen from FSU:
- very mixed up theology. I know people with advanced degrees in theology from there that are lacking in knowing basics of the faith.
-an over focus on emotion at the expense of reason.

Basically, the general tone of the place is "neo-conservative" Catholicism as opposed to traditional Catholicism. Rick Santorum is the best thing since sliced bread on campus. Being anti-contraception and anti-abortion are important. In fact they are essential. However, there is much more to the faith than that. Their recent news story in relation to "cancelling student insurance" out of conscience concerns over the HHS mandate was downright dishonest.

As I said, I do see real positives about the place, and it has had a positive influence on my own life and faith. It's much better than most "catholic" universities in the US, but that is more of a condemnation of the others than praise for FSU. I would be very hestitant to send my children there.

Pax

[Rich C]

As an aside, I think anyone interested in this thread may like to read the following blog post: http://www.patheos.com/blogs/badcatholic/

If you belong to any religion besides Judaism or Christianity, having a religious experience is simple stuff. You obtain it. If you’re a Buddhist, simply get better and better at meditation and complete separation from earthly desires, and you’ll obtain a supernatural experience of peace. If you’re a Muslim, keep on the Straight Way, look “in the heavens and the earth [for the] signs for those who believe” (Qur’an 45:3-5) and you’ll find them. If you’re a Wiccan, draw the circle, light the candles, call down the spirits, and have your religious experience.

If you’re Christian — and we’re all here for you, I promise — then you’re screwed...

[Melchior_]

Originally Posted by Rich C

As an aside, I think anyone interested in this thread may like to read the following blog post: http://www.patheos.com/blogs/badcatholic/

You may want to link directly to the blog post, you posted the link to the main page.