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Aug 31, '05, 11:53 am
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Why would God allow the hurricane to hit?
Could our Nations recent troubles of rising fuel costs, storms, wars..ect be a Chastisment from God meant to humble us so we'll turn back to him?
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Aug 31, '05, 12:02 pm
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Re: A Chastisment?
Well, I can't speak for God, but I can tell you that the rising gas prices are a direct result of our greed for gasoline. Over the last 10 years, our consumption of gasoline has skyrocketed, thanks to the SUV fad. Basic economics will tell you that when demand grows faster than the supply, prices will increase. We have only ourselves to blame for the increased gas prices.
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Aug 31, '05, 12:51 pm
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Re: A Chastisment?
While I certainly can't speak for God any more than Michael  , a look through at least modern history would seem to suggest a lack of correlation between these kinds of catastrophes (or blessings!) and the actions of nations.
While the "why do bad things happen to good people" question (and of course its reverse "why do good things seem to happen to bad people?") is a difficult one, my gut feeling is that God suffers with us in these things but that He does not directly bring them on.
I remember feeling particular revulsion when I heard that same argument applied to the victims of the tsunami.
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Aug 31, '05, 1:05 pm
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Re: A Chastisment?
Dear friends
No it is not a chastisement. We live in the veil of tears, we are living as followers of Christ Jesus in a damaged world. Whatever happens in this life, it is only love and faith that matters, everything else is an addition and all things ultimately are blessings. That's not easy to see in the midst of trial, but it is truth.
We live in exile, under a cloud of darkness, but Christ Jesus is in the world, within those who believe and receive Him in the Most Blessed Sacrament.
Look at how we live and have lived throughout the ages and tell me God is not merciful, as still we live and move and have our being in Him?
I believe that God is merciful, not stern judge.
The question you really are asking is , 'Is this the end times?', well yes it is, it has been since the ressurection of Christ Jesus and no-one knows the hour, so stay awake.
God Bless you and much love and peace to you
Teresa
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Sep 9, '05, 12:51 pm
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Re: A Chastisment?
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Originally Posted by springbreeze
Dear friends
No it is not a chastisement. We live in the veil of tears, we are living as followers of Christ Jesus in a damaged world. Whatever happens in this life, it is only love and faith that matters, everything else is an addition and all things ultimately are blessings. That's not easy to see in the midst of trial, but it is truth.
We live in exile, under a cloud of darkness, but Christ Jesus is in the world, within those who believe and receive Him in the Most Blessed Sacrament.
Look at how we live and have lived throughout the ages and tell me God is not merciful, as still we live and move and have our being in Him?
I believe that God is merciful, not stern judge.
The question you really are asking is , 'Is this the end times?', well yes it is, it has been since the ressurection of Christ Jesus and no-one knows the hour, so stay awake.
God Bless you and much love and peace to you
Teresa
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Sep 9, '05, 1:04 pm
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Re: A Chastisment?
I don't know if I would call it a chastisment. But god spoke about these thing in the bible, but in the gospel of Mark there will be wars and rumors of wars, nation will fight against nation, there will be earthquakes, famines, is this worse than sodom and gomorra ,
I agree we must stay awake. The parable of the ten bridsmaids is apporiate in this instance, we must not be like the foolish ones, but the sensible ones to always have our lamps full with oil at all times.
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Sep 26, '05, 5:57 am
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Re: A Chastisment?
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Originally Posted by springbreeze
Dear friends
No it is not a chastisement. We live in the veil of tears, we are living as followers of Christ Jesus in a damaged world. Whatever happens in this life, it is only love and faith that matters, everything else is an addition and all things ultimately are blessings. That's not easy to see in the midst of trial, but it is truth.
We live in exile, under a cloud of darkness, but Christ Jesus is in the world, within those who believe and receive Him in the Most Blessed Sacrament.
Look at how we live and have lived throughout the ages and tell me God is not merciful, as still we live and move and have our being in Him?
I believe that God is merciful, not stern judge.
The question you really are asking is , 'Is this the end times?', well yes it is, it has been since the ressurection of Christ Jesus and no-one knows the hour, so stay awake.
God Bless you and much love and peace to you
Teresa
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Teresa, I enjoyed and agree with your remarks on this topic.
Praise God for His mercy! Thank you. MaryLiz
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Sep 26, '05, 6:06 am
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Re: Why would God allow the hurricane to hit?
The answer to this is a mystery, but we belileve that God allows nothing to happen that He will not use for GOOD. Thank you, God for our Faith in you.
Jesus, I Trust in You.
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Sep 26, '05, 8:30 am
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Re: Why would God allow the hurricane to hit?
Why would God allow the hurricane to hit???
I THINK TO HIT OUR REFINERIES!!!! Because we are destroying our earth with all these AUTO EMISSIONS!!!
This reminds me of Mt Pinatubo. Believe it or not, if not for Mt, Pinatubo, the United States would still have two huge military bases weapons of war in the Philippines. But on those days when the US was seeking renewal of its 100 year BASES LEASE AGREEMENT IN THE PHILIPPINE CONGRESS, MT. PINATUBO WHICH WAS SILENT FOR 500 YEARS WAS ERUPTING LOUDER AND LOUDER. AS APPROVAL WAS ALMOST TO BE SURELY GOTTEN, PINATUBO WAS THROWING TRUCK SIZE RED HOT LAVA BOULDERS INTO THE AIR AND THE WARPLANES AT US CLARK AIR FORCE BASE AND NAVY SHIPS IN US SUBIC NAVAL BASE WERE ALL COVERED WITH THICK ASHES FROM THE VOLCANO. Man, the BRAVE, COURAGEOUS US COMMANDERS, ADMIRALS, GENERALS COLONELS, MAJORS, SOLDIERS, ----THEY ALL RAN AWAY!!!! You can check it at GOOGLE because American soldiers stationed at those bases are writing articles about their Pinatubo experience in the internet.
I BELIEVE GOD USED MT PINATUBO VOLCANO TO DISARM THE UNITED STATES SO THAT WHEN THE USSR WAS DISINTEGRATING, THE UNITED STATES WAS IN NO POSITION TO FIRE A SINGLE MISSILE. AS SUCH THE UNITED STATES CANNOT TAKE THE CREDIT FOR THE FALL OF RUSSIA!!!!! VIVA!!! VIVA!!!! OUR LADY OF THE HOLY ROSARY IN FATIMA!!!!!! TO THE ONE AND ONLY GOD, Father, Son, Holy Spirit NOTHING IS IMPOSSIBLE!!!
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Sep 26, '05, 9:33 am
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Re: Why would God allow the hurricane to hit?
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Why would God allow the hurricane to hit???
I THINK TO HIT OUR REFINERIES!!!! Because we are destroying our earth with all these AUTO EMISSIONS!!!
This is like Mt Pinatubo where I BELIEVE GOD USED MT PINATUBO VOLCANO TO DISARM THE UNITED STATES SO THAT WHEN THE USSR WAS DISINTEGRATING, THE UNITED STATES WAS IN NO POSITION TO FIRE A SINGLE MISSILE. AS SUCH THE UNITED STATES CANNOT TAKE THE CREDIT FOR THE FALL OF RUSSIA!!!!! VIVA!!! VIVA!!!! OUR LADY OF THE HOLY ROSARY IN FATIMA!!!!!! TO THE ONE AND ONLY GOD, Father, Son, Holy Spirit NOTHING IS IMPOSSIBLE!!!
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Sep 1, '05, 8:25 am
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Re: A Chastisment?
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While I certainly can't speak for God any more than Michael  , a look through at least modern history would seem to suggest a lack of correlation between these kinds of catastrophes (or blessings!) and the actions of nations.
While the "why do bad things happen to good people" question (and of course its reverse "why do good things seem to happen to bad people?") is a difficult one, my gut feeling is that God suffers with us in these things but that He does not directly bring them on.
I remember feeling particular revulsion when I heard that same argument applied to the victims of the tsunami.
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You could read this and see if your perception changes.
The Apparitions of Our Lady in Historical Context - part 1
part 2
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Sep 8, '05, 12:10 am
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Re: A Chastisment?
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Sep 1, '05, 12:23 pm
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Re: A Chastisment?
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Originally Posted by ncjohn
While I certainly can't speak for God any more than Michael  , a look through at least modern history would seem to suggest a lack of correlation between these kinds of catastrophes (or blessings!) and the actions of nations.
While the "why do bad things happen to good people" question (and of course its reverse "why do good things seem to happen to bad people?") is a difficult one, my gut feeling is that God suffers with us in these things but that He does not directly bring them on.
I remember feeling particular revulsion when I heard that same argument applied to the victims of the tsunami.
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The CCC refers to this as kind of event as "physical evil" as opposed to moral evil. It is terrible, but not necessarily indicative of a punishment from above.
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Sep 1, '05, 1:48 pm
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Re: A Chastisment?
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The CCC refers to this as kind of event as "physical evil" as opposed to moral evil. It is terrible, but not necessarily indicative of a punishment from above.
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There are three causes of effects in human history:
1) demonic
2) heavenly
3) the world
Some discernment is necessary to determine which cause is at work.
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Originally Posted by Michael Welter
Well, I can't speak for God, but I can tell you that the rising gas prices are a direct result of our greed for gasoline. Over the last 10 years, our consumption of gasoline has skyrocketed, thanks to the SUV fad. Basic economics will tell you that when demand grows faster than the supply, prices will increase. We have only ourselves to blame for the increased gas prices.
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Micheal:
I drive and SUV. I live in the Mountains of Colorado. we will have our first snow in the next month or so. I ask you to consider the possiblitiy that a vehicle that may be a fad in california may very well be a necessity when one lives in the Mountains.
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