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Old Nov 17, '12, 1:19 am
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Surgery wait times for deadly ovarian, cervical and breast cancers in Quebec are three times longer than government benchmarks, leading some desperate patients to shop around for an operating room
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Oh, but I thought that "single payer" is a panacea! This love of a domineering federal government bureaucracy is pathological. And, as the Church has her enemies, so also does America have her enemies. But, just as Admiral Chuichi Nagumo feared.....
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It would've been an improvement from what we have now if not for abortion funding and the HHS Mandate. Not saying I would've liked it then, but it would've been an improvement.
The present system doesn't fund any medical abortions. It does pay for the Pill and possibly the "morning after pill."
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Survey of hospitals in US, Canada, New Zealand, United Kingdom and Australia by Robert Blendon and colleagues in Health Affairs found, 'waits of six months or more for elective surgeries were reported to occur ‘very often’ or ‘often’ by 26 – 57% of executives in the four non-U.S. countries. 1% of U.S. hospitals reported this. Canadian hospitals reported average waiting time of over 6 months for a 65 year old man requiring hip replacement for over 1/2; no American hospital administrators reported waits this long

Look at waiting lists for operations in Britain as of 2004

Survival rates for cancer, stroke, heart disease are better in America than they are in the Britain. Many people travel from Britain and other countries to get treatment in America where they have to pay for it...
In America, hospitals are profit-making businesses and of course no one waits for an elective procedure they can pay for, their business is what hospitals compete for.

Survival rates for heart disease and stroke are better for people who receive treatment. But the statistic missing is: how many people in Great Britain have no medical care at all?

In America, people get sicker and sicker as they cannot afford tests for diagnosis or treatments once diagnosed.

U.S. Preventable Death Rate Higher Than In France, U.K.

Why an MRI costs $1,080 in America and $280 in France

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..the International Federation of Health Plans — a global insurance trade association that includes more than 100 insurers in 25 countries — released more direct evidence. It surveyed its members on the prices paid for 23 medical services and products in different countries, asking after everything from a routine doctor’s visit to a dose of Lipitor to coronary bypass surgery. And in 22 of 23 cases, Americans are paying higher prices than residents of other developed countries. Usually, we’re paying quite a bit more.
I don't know what should be done. I know that Great Britain or France or any European country is equivalent to a single state in the US in terms of population and so forth. So, I think all these comparisons make little sense. Changing the way things work here is like trying to move a dead mastadon with a toothpick.
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http://www.nbc15.com/news/headlines/...179647671.html

Jindall is doing this as well in Louisiana. What are the implications? How many states are doing this?

If 30 States have Republican Governors and Republicans control the House, Senate and Governorships in 23 States, this could have a real impact. How many States will not participate?



I am so happy that Scott Walker has made a stand against intrusive, unjust, corrupt government!
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I don't know what should be done. I know that Great Britain or France or any European country is equivalent to a single state in the US in terms of population and so forth. So, I think all these comparisons make little sense. Changing the way things work here is like trying to move a dead mastadon with a toothpick.
Each state should decide it's own health care and people should be able to sell insurance across state lines.
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That's what we can expect here under ObamaCare. Hospitals being forced to have long lines and the government saying "it's their fault and they need better priorities".

I believe that is called tyranny.
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The present system doesn't fund any medical abortions. It does pay for the Pill and possibly the "morning after pill."
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In America, hospitals are profit-making businesses and of course no one waits for an elective procedure they can pay for, their business is what hospitals compete for.

Survival rates for heart disease and stroke are better for people who receive treatment. But the statistic missing is: how many people in Great Britain have no medical care at all?

In America, people get sicker and sicker as they cannot afford tests for diagnosis or treatments once diagnosed.

U.S. Preventable Death Rate Higher Than In France, U.K.

Why an MRI costs $1,080 in America and $280 in France



I don't know what should be done. I know that Great Britain or France or any European country is equivalent to a single state in the US in terms of population and so forth. So, I think all these comparisons make little sense. Changing the way things work here is like trying to move a dead mastadon with a toothpick.
An mri may cost more in America, but survival rates for cancer are higher in America. American system is not perfect, there should be changes to increase competition acorss state lines which would reduce the price of health insurance etc but ObamaTax is not the solution
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Each state should decide it's own health care and people should be able to sell insurance across state lines.
But then you'll need regulators at the federal level. As it is states regulate insurance industry within that state. My own Congressman (R-Ill) agreed with me on that.
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I do not understand the left's utter fascination with such an inefficient and uncaring system. As we speak, a 28 year old fellow cancer patient in British Columbia, Canada is confronting dying of his cancer - with treatment across the border in Washington. Single payer will not pay for his treatment here, and it is not available there.

Yeah, single payer....
OTOH, Americans are flying to Thailand and India to have routine $125,000 bypasses done for the price of two airline tickets.
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I don't understand the right's obsession with defending a bloated, inefficient system where millions go without health coverage.
I don't understand either side for supporting ineffective and inefficient system. Pick your poison.
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But then you'll need regulators at the federal level. As it is states regulate insurance industry within that state. My own Congressman (R-Ill) agreed with me on that.
I'll take that over ObamaCare anyday, and I'll bet with a republican-conservative president, the regulations will be to the point and not involve an excuse to unionize a bunch of bureaucrats.
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OTOH, Americans are flying to Thailand and India to have routine $125,000 bypasses done for the price of two airline tickets.
That does happen, but who are these people? Rich folks who don't want insurance and just go somewhere cheap?

I hear the facilities in India are quite nice and cater to Westerners. which shouldn't be a surprise considering that Canadian and European government benevolence just can't find it in their big, pro-poor, selfless () hearts to help those particular sick people
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OTOH, Americans are flying to Thailand and India to have routine $125,000 bypasses done for the price of two airline tickets.
I wonder why more people don't do that?



Actually very few do that for bypass surgery - it's more for cosmetic surgery and the outcomes have been horrifying in some cases.


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