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Old Mar 29, '07, 7:34 am
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What exactly happens at your communal penance services?
I won't answer this question because as I said what this term covers can vary. I will describe what happens in the second form of the Rite for the Sacrament of Penance and REconciliation, and will go get a link when I get time.

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individual confessions, usually several priests gather from neighboring parishes for this.
either individuals say their own assigned penance and leave, or there is a closing prayer, which includes an act of contrition and the same penance for everyone, and the Our Father.

you can probably find the rite on the bishops website, got to go.
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Old Mar 29, '07, 5:42 pm
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I rarely see anyone at my parish go to confession at all, except for the same dozen or so people. Maybe they are all like me and go often to confession out of town.
I don't travel out of town, but I frequently go to confession at another parish with more convenient times for confession. So you would only see me in the confession line at my parish about 3 or 4 times a year. I usually go monthly, so the other 8 or 9 times will be someplace else.
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Old Mar 29, '07, 6:19 pm
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Are Communal penance services licit for mortal sins? Fr Vincent Serpa just posted that they were licit, but since they only take place a couple of times a year, one shouldn't wait. But again my original question, are Communal penance services licit for mortal sins?
Of course. Keeping in mind that a Penance service is a communal examination of conscience with individual Confessions. Fr. is right a person should not wait if they realize that they have committed a Mortal sin for the next Penance service.
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Apparently, where I live, the sacrament of penance is licit in it's 3rd form, but Rome is soon going to change that, and I'm glad. I heard there was going to be a penitential service at our church; I was happy, convinced a couple of my Catholic friends to come too (Confession is good for your soul!) and then preceded to be confused for the next hour while we had an entrance hymn, a reading, a psalm, what I think was a Gospel reading, an examination of conscience, a procession up to the priest so he could lay his hands on everyone's heads, a general penance given to the entire congregation, and then an exit hymn. Apparently, this is licit in my university's diocese, but not back home, and not at the home parishes of my friends, either. But, as afore mentioned, it will soon not be licit, due to a ruling that is supposed to be released from the Vatican soon. I was rather disappointed, as I had scheduled an hour in my evening, expecting it to be a half-hour or so prep for confession, and then the opportunity for a private one afterwards, like my home parish. I'm planning to get to confession this weekend, when I go to visit my boyfriend, who happens to be going to university in my home parish. (Really romantic date, huh? )
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Old Mar 29, '07, 9:34 pm
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Apparently, where I live, the sacrament of penance is licit in it's 3rd form, but Rome is soon going to change that, and I'm glad. I heard there was going to be a penitential service at our church; I was happy, convinced a couple of my Catholic friends to come too (Confession is good for your soul!) and then preceded to be confused for the next hour while we had an entrance hymn, a reading, a psalm, what I think was a Gospel reading, an examination of conscience, a procession up to the priest so he could lay his hands on everyone's heads, a general penance given to the entire congregation, and then an exit hymn. Apparently, this is licit in my university's diocese, but not back home, and not at the home parishes of my friends, either. But, as afore mentioned, it will soon not be licit, due to a ruling that is supposed to be released from the Vatican soon. I was rather disappointed, as I had scheduled an hour in my evening, expecting it to be a half-hour or so prep for confession, and then the opportunity for a private one afterwards, like my home parish. I'm planning to get to confession this weekend, when I go to visit my boyfriend, who happens to be going to university in my home parish. (Really romantic date, huh? )
The Vatican has never approved this and has said so, that General Absolution is only licit in certain very narrow circumstances. Pope Benedict has also just mentioned this prohibition again in his latest Apostolic Exhortation released a week or so ago.
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The Vatican has never approved this and has said so, that General Absolution is only licit in certain very narrow circumstances. Pope Benedict has also just mentioned this prohibition again in his latest Apostolic Exhortation released a week or so ago.
Good. I personally think that Confession is one of the best Sacraments we have. I like to go monthly. The graces of the Sacrament are wonderful. Many Catholics who do not receive this Sacrament regularly do not know what they are missing.
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The Vatican has never approved this and has said so, that General Absolution is only licit in certain very narrow circumstances. Pope Benedict has also just mentioned this prohibition again in his latest Apostolic Exhortation released a week or so ago.
Good! ^^ Hopefully things will be fixed next time... Confession is a wonderful sacrament.Jesus died for us, endured immense physical, spiritual, and mental suffering for our sake, the least we can do is 'fess up when we screw up.
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Papal Penance service described here:

http://forums.catholic.com/showthread.php?t=142281
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I won't answer this question because as I said what this term covers can vary. I will describe what happens in the second form of the Rite for the Sacrament of Penance and REconciliation, and will go get a link when I get time.

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Examination of conscience, usually led by a priest or deacon who reads from source that encourages those present to examine their lives in the light of the commandments and beatitudes.
sometimes appropriate music
individual confessions, usually several priests gather from neighboring parishes for this.
either individuals say their own assigned penance and leave, or there is a closing prayer, which includes an act of contrition and the same penance for everyone, and the Our Father.

you can probably find the rite on the bishops website, got to go.
Thanks.

I am familiar with the Rite. I was asking because I was trying to make sure that the term wasn't being used in place of "general absolution." I also wanted to find out why the O.P. would have thought them to be invalid or illicit.

It's a moot point now.

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I went to a communial confession service tonight at my sister-in-law's church. It was nice, but I'm not sure that it's recognized or treated the same as a regular confession. Like I said it was a nice service, not a full mass, and the scripture readings and homily and reflections were very helpful. But I'm not sure I get the same 'feeling' I do from one on one confession.
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It's not permitted to have 'communal' penance services of this kind (where there's no individual confession of sins or individual absolution) except in cases of emergency (as in crashing plane type emergency) where individual confession isn't possible.

You need to licitly confess your sins one-on-one to a priest asap and not receive the Eucharist until you've done so (if you're in mortal sin)
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It's not permitted to have 'communal' penance services of this kind (where there's no individual confession of sins or individual absolution) except in cases of emergency (as in crashing plane type emergency) where individual confession isn't possible.

You need to licitly confess your sins one-on-one to a priest asap and not receive the Eucharist until you've done so (if you're in mortal sin)
it is perfectly legitimate to have a communal penance service. What is not legitimate is to have general absolution except in the rare cases specified for that form of the rite of confession. OP did not say that occurred.
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It's not permitted to have 'communal' penance services of this kind (where there's no individual confession of sins or individual absolution) except in cases of emergency (as in crashing plane type emergency) where individual confession isn't possible.

You need to licitly confess your sins one-on-one to a priest asap and not receive the Eucharist until you've done so (if you're in mortal sin)
I went to confession last week. I went to this with my sister-in-law tonight to see what it was like. Is it a mortal sin to go to communial confession?
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I went to a communial confession service tonight at my sister-in-law's church. It was nice, but I'm not sure that it's recognized or treated the same as a regular confession. Like I said it was a nice service, not a full mass, and the scripture readings and homily and reflections were very helpful. But I'm not sure I get the same 'feeling' I do from one on one confession.
Are you saying that there was no individual confession and absolution as a part of this communal penance service?? Every communal penance service I have ever attended included individual confessions and individual absolution.
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Are you saying that there was no individual confession and absolution as a part of this communal penance service?? Every communal penance service I have ever attended included individual confessions and individual absolution.
Nope. There was what they called an 'examination of conscience' and a prayer for forgiveness after the homily. The 'examination' was a reading of questions that you were supposed to reflect on, and whether or not you were living up to these expectations. There was no communion, it was more like a service than a mass.

This wasn't at my church. Like I said, I went to confession at my church last week, in the confessional, with a confession of sins, the prayer of contrition, and absolution and penance.

I don't believe I've done anything mortally sinful since then.

I will point out, my sister-in-law's church also had individual confession last week and this week as well.
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