Philosophy: Prove you exist - Page 11

mikeledes · #**151** Apr 24, '07, 8:04 am

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Originally Posted by Truthstalker

Now I really am wondering about some of these posters...Doubting their existence was merely hypothetically before....

Yes, there is life out there in the great beyond. We roam from thread to thread searching for intelligent life. Occasionally, we bump into those darn philosophers who ask weird questions. That's when we realize how lunacy sadly ravages a person's mind.

May God help these poor souls.

God Bless,
Michael

freesoulhope · #**152** Apr 24, '07, 8:50 am

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Originally Posted by Truthstalker

I've never had an atheist take me up on this challenge. They are to prove they exist, using the same standards they use to disprove the existence of God.

Since this is the internet, I cannot see or hear the atheist. I cannot be sure it really is an atheist. I have to believe the poster really is an atheist. Maybe it is someone's sockpuppet.

Any takers?

One cannot know empirically, just by looking at your words, that you are not just a computer pretending to be a person. It is mere common sense faith, that I know you are real and that you are a human being that has made a bloody good thread; just like its mere commonsense faith to believe that there is an intelligent creator behind reality even though we cannot be sure of it in the sense of touching the pierced hands of Jesus.

The difference between the two is that, I know enough through sense perception of the world around me, that it is more likely to be the case that you are real and you are a human like me; but you could quite easily be an alien since it is a rational possibility, however slim, of which, is open to interpretation. An iteligent creator, on the other hand, is the only "rational explanation" (that being an explanation that doesn't contradict itself) for the ordered appearance of the world and its existing "fixed" (unchanging and precise) forces. Atheism cannot explain where reality came from, because that wasn't its funtion in the first place. Its function always was a matter undermining faith and religious revelation from God; atheism is just an emotional response to negative religious regimes, and more so, restrictive religious morality; atheists deguise themselves as an intelectual position; in other words, the real war they fight, is with religion and morality; not the existence of God.

When you look at the world, one cannot honestly say, with conviction if they believe in rationality, that it came from an infinite amount of causes with no cause or reason. One can say they don’t know what happen and remain agnostic, if there not intrested in puting faith in any particulor God; but they cannot say that a "belief" in a creator God is irrational, since reality appears to be intelligible and created (though we know for sure that it is not through the classical creationist account that life has appeared; arriving by fiat) ; otherwise i dont see why people would have ever have thought of a "creator" God, let alone a God, if the world was not suggestive of that possiblity.

The funny thing is, atheists are asking us to believe in an irrational miracle, that has occurred by it self with out the help of an intelligent creator. (Creation out of nothing). At least when we speak of miracles, we have a rational cause behind them. (God).

Peace.