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Old Aug 9, '04, 10:33 am
Carvin Carvin is offline
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Default Monk Robes

When I visited Rome this summer on a trip with friends from my art history class, we stopped, of course, at the Vatican.

While there, I saw two monks and my curiosity set in. I was wondering, as I haven't had any luck yet on my own, if you could tell me what monastic order they probably belonged to, as well as where monks procure their robes (Do they make them? Have them donated?).

The robes were black, with a black scapula (I believe it's called--sort of a double sided cape, draping the wearer's back and front) and a hood. Any help is, of course, deeply appreciated.
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Old Aug 9, '04, 12:31 pm
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Passionists?
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Old Aug 9, '04, 1:00 pm
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I don't think so--I visited the order's website and their robes appear to lack a hood and definitely the scapula (if that's what it's called). Further, I don't recall the monks that I saw wearing a crest.
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Old Aug 9, '04, 2:44 pm
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Sounds like Benedictines. Scroll down to the picture of the two monks--it's small, though.
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Old Aug 9, '04, 3:23 pm
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BTW Carvin, the things that the religous were wearing are called Habits ... not "robes".
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Old Aug 9, '04, 8:52 pm
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I think the phrase, "" sums my feelings about that mistake nicely.

So noted--won't be making that mistake again.

Thanks for the help, all! Consider another heathen slightly more enlightened.
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Old Aug 11, '04, 7:35 am
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I dont' understand what a "double sided cape is"
Some Benedictines wear black, some white, or grey. Some wear a belt or a sash. The cloak or cape is worn when going outdoors.
In chapel they wear a garment like a choir robe (thats where Protesant groups got it from) called a cowl or cucula.

Yes, their robes are called "habits". They used to make them themselves, or nuns made the ones for monks. They probably have them "outsourced" now.
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Old Aug 11, '04, 9:18 am
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Your description sounds an aweful lot like Benedictines. Go to www.mtangel.edu to see info on the seminary and monestary there. They have pictures of monks praying in there.
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Old Aug 11, '04, 3:06 pm
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ScapuLAR----the part of the religious habit, sometimes with an attached COWL [hood], that hangs down back and front is called a "SCAPULAR" The "Scapula" is the shoulder blade in anatomy.

Benedictines were historically referred to as "Blackfriars" because of their black habit [even though they are monks and not friars] but other orders also have black habits: the Conventual Franciscans for example
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Old Aug 11, '04, 8:46 pm
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Dear headman13,

You're right on....except the Dominicans are actually the "Blackfriars", as far as i know: the O.P.s wear a black thing (i can't remember what they call it) over their white habit... At least, that's what i've been told. Until now, i've never heard the Benedictines referred to by that name.
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Old Aug 12, '04, 8:00 am
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"Benedictines were historically referred to as "Blackfriars" because of their black habit [even though they are monks and not friars] but other orders also have black habits: the Conventual Franciscans for example"

Bro. Dan is right. The Black friars refer to the Dominicans because they are friars. The Benedictines in England were called Black monks. (remember the nursery ryme, "4 and twenty black birds baked in a pie"? Refers to the martyrdom of the Benedictine monks of Glastonbury by Henry VIII). If you ever see a picture or statue of St. Martin de Porres his habit is mostly black. (the lay brothers now have the same habit as the priests.)

The Carmelites were referred to as the "White Friars" for the same reason. Their habit is brown, but when in church chanting the office, they wear a white cloak.
The Norbertines were called the "White Canons", The Augustinian Canons were called the "Black Canons". The Franciscans were called the "Gray Friars" because their habits at one time were gray.
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Old Aug 12, '04, 8:17 am
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. . .and the the Superior General of the Jesuits is/was called, pejoratively by some quarters, as the "Black Pope!"

Because only the Jesuits have an additional vow of obedience to the Supreme Pontiff. They are, and used to be, called "the defenders of the Pope."

It is rumored that the Superior General of the Society of Jesus, who resides in Rome, always has/had the ears of the reigning Pope concerning many matters, especially how the missionary work of the Catholic Church should be done and accomplished.
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Old Aug 12, '04, 4:37 pm
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I have no idea but thank God they were wearing them! I go batty when I see sisters and brothers who don't wear the clothes God gave them?!?

Peace and all good,

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Old Apr 30, '07, 4:42 am
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I run a yahoo group dedicated to the religious habit.

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/thereligioushabit/

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