How long does it take to train a priest for TLM?

[Andreas Hofer]

Originally Posted by Catholic Dude

I can see how a priest who is already fluent in Spanish, French or Italian should have a relatively easy time learning Latin in about 2 years, but any one else is going to take 4. During this time they need to not only learn but MASTER the rubrics, they need to know all the variations to be ready for weddings, funerals, etc. This isnt learned over night, I cant see how a priest who has taken a "crash course" via a handfull of practice TLMs is anywhere near ready.

I bless and praise any priest who is interested and willing to put in the time to learn anything he can from any good soul willing to teach, Im just worried people are seeing Sep 14 as the deadline rather than JUST the beginning of good things to come.

I don't really think a newly ordained priest has "mastered" all the possible variations for the NO, but we throw him right into the fray. A priest new to the TLM needn't have mastered all the possibilities of that Mass before being allowed to get the ball rolling with, say, a weekly or daily low Mass, and progress from there.

[OutinChgoburbs]

Originally Posted by Catholic Dude

It says the can be not must be.

And you have a problem with that?

[Catholic Dude]

Originally Posted by OutinChgoburbs

And you have a problem with that?

In so far as it pushing the readings in latin out of the way, yes I have a problem, especially considering what "translations" could be used (NAB?). If it is an extra reading in english after the latin that should be no problem (though there might need to be clarification on how this is going to play out).

[BobP123]

This is not by any means authoritative but from http://faithfulrebel.blogspot.com/

[12. When the extraordinary form is celebrated, what calendar and Lectionary may be used?
Whenever the extraordinary form of the Roman Liturgy is celebrated, the vernacular edition of the Lectionary for Mass may be used, while the calendar of the Missal of Blessed John XXIII is followed.23 The Ecclesia Dei Commission has been charged with studying the eventual incorporation of new saints and some of the prefaces of
the revised Missale into the Missale Romanum of Blessed John XXIII.


This worries me a little. This seems to be in line with the "clarification" of Fr. Lombardi. However, the standard for the traditional Latin Mass is that the readings be done in the Latin, and then it is fine for them to be read in the vernacular (or they could be read by a deacon in the vernacular as the priest reads them in Latin). However, to completely put the readings in vernacular would be weird. It would not be in confirmity with the tradition of the rite and, to my knowledge, was only allowed experimentally before Vatican II. These readings in vernacular would NOT be the standard way of offering the extraordinary form of the liturgy, and it seems like the USCCB wants to make it appear as if it were. In no case would the new lectionary (NAB) be used for the old rite. It would have to be a book approved at the time of the 1962 Missal.

Now here's a problem I have with the last sentence(s): There were no approvals to the vernacular in 1962, were there? Would another commission be appointed to vernacularize them if there weren't?

[Brendan]

Originally Posted by Catholic Dude

I can see how a priest who is already fluent in Spanish, French or Italian should have a relatively easy time learning Latin in about 2 years, but any one else is going to take 4. During this time they need to not only learn but MASTER the rubrics, they need to know all the variations to be ready for weddings, funerals, etc. This isnt learned over night, I cant see how a priest who has taken a "crash course" via a handfull of practice TLMs is anywhere near ready.

I bless and praise any priest who is interested and willing to put in the time to learn anything he can from any good soul willing to teach, Im just worried people are seeing Sep 14 as the deadline rather than JUST the beginning of good things to come.

Well, in the case of our pastor (who is one of the priests who celebrates at the Indult parish) he is already fluent in Latin, and regularly celebrates the NO in Latin.

And yes, the Rubrics can be learned over the course of several 2-3 hour lessons.

In addition, one of our bishops learned the Rubrics for the Pontifical High Mass as well, which are substantially more complex than a Low Mass.

[kleary]

Originally Posted by MaryD7

I would think that the training may be the biggest hold-up in implementing the mp. It's not so much that the bishops don't want the TLM but they do not have the priests who can do a TLM properly.

You have to admit, the TLM crowd is not one to take errors in the Mass lightly. How much slack is going to be given to the 'newbie' priests?

One week. I am a witness to that. We trained a priest staying with our parish in one week to celebrate the solemn form of the Missa Cantata.

It is a lot easier with the solemn form of the Missa Cantata to do it- very minimul training is required since there is an MC there to show and tell the priest what to do. Much also is written in the Missal itself, telling the priest how to hold his hands or what to look at in a specific moment.

The hardest thing I have seen is a priest falling into his "Novus Ordo Tendancies"- singing aloud the "Per Ipsum" and looking at the people when turning to address them when he is supposed to look at the floor.

Ken