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Old Sep 6, '07, 7:12 pm
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I'm looking for a translation for "One Nation, Under God" into Latin.

The online tools say it is "Unus Populus , Sub Deus"...but that is just a word-for-word translation and may not capture the theme I'm looking for.

Can anyone validate the translation or tell me if it is different?

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The high school I attended required two years of Latin and Philosophy in order to graduate, (and it was a public school!) At every assembly, we recited the Pledge in Latin (I've highlighted what you're looking for):

Fidem meam obligo
vexillo civitatium
Americae foederatarum
et rei publicae pro qua stat
uni natione deo ducente
non dividendae
cum libertate iustitiaque omnibus!
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The one from my HS Latin book was similar:

Ego vexillo Unitorum Statuum Americae ac Rei Publicae quam designat fidelitatem spondeo: Uni Nationi sub Deo indivisibili cum libertate atque justitia omnibus.


I never thought to question it then, but now both seem wrong to me. Natio,nationis is feminine, so shouldn't it be unae nationi?

In any <*ahem*> case, the phrase "one nation" is (or should be) in the dative in context. Nominatve would be:

Una natio, sub Deo
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Una natio, Deo ducente

"sub Deo" is simply a prepositional phrase: "under God"; "Deo ducente" is an ablative absolute: "with God leading".

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I believe you are correct, it should be nationi demonstrating that after 17 years away from high school, my memory is still decent if not perfect.

In any case (nice pun, BTW), it warms my heart to see forums where Latin can be discussed; maybe there is hope for humanity after all.
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Yup, to translate it properly, you just need to consider what case it is. "To one nation", "in one nation", "with one nation", is just the matter of a preposition in English, but in Latin, the endings will be different. So... Will need the whole sentence to tell you what form to use.

It's been a while since I had my last Latin student.
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I believe you are correct, it should be nationi demonstrating that after 17 years away from high school, my memory is still decent if not perfect.
An easy mistake to make -- Surely easier than my own.
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I never thought to question it then, but now both seem wrong to me. Natio,nationis is feminine, so shouldn't it be unae nationi?
The declension of unus,una,unum is, of course , irregular.

una
unius
uni
unam
una


In the dative, uni nationi is, naturally, correct.


At least I was correct that the nominative remains una natio.

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So the correct translation is "Uni Nationi Deo Ducente"?

Chevalier - This is from the Pledge of Allegiance...but it is part of a tattoo I'm having designed that brings together my love for both my country and God.
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By the way, "Deo ducente" is an ablative absolute construction, meaning "(with) God leading."
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So the correct translation is "Uni Nationi Deo Ducente"?

Chevalier - This is from the Pledge of Allegiance...but it is part of a tattoo I'm having designed that brings together my love for both my country and God.
If you mean for it to be a quote from the Pledge of Allegiance, then Uni nationi Deo ducente is fine.

But know that, since Latin an inflected language, that phrase bears grammatical meaning as well as lexical meaning, viz (with the [bracketed part] being left out of the Latin): [I pledge allegiance] to one nation under God
That is: It is the indirect object of the verb "pledge". Outside context it could also be translated as "for one nation..." or a handful of other grammatical structures.

If you don't want that grammatically-included "to" in there, use the nominative form: Una natio Deo ducente

You do want the inflected Deo ducente, since as both I and Roselander have pointed out, it really means "with God leading" ie "under God['s providence/authority/direction]"

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