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Old Jun 21, '08, 7:01 am
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Default Re: Do protestants get the stigmata?

Stigmata in and of themselves mean nothing.

St. Pio was not canonized for being a stigmatic, but for other reasons.
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Old Jun 21, '08, 7:03 am
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Stigmata in and of themselves mean nothing.

St. Pio was not canonized for being a stigmatic, but for other reasons.
How do you know? You don't.
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Old Jun 21, '08, 7:26 am
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And the phenomenon is not exclusively a Christian one. Cases are also known of Muslim stigmatics who bear wounds that correspond to those known to have been suffered by Muhammed (c. 570 C.E.–632 C.E.) while doing battle.
I have also read that the stigmata can manifest itself in a way that is familiar to the person it has afflicted (ie nail wounds appearing in the wrists instead of hands depending on images seen by the person afflicted).
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Old Jun 21, '08, 7:38 am
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I have also read that the stigmata can manifest itself in a way that is familiar to the person it has afflicted (ie nail wounds appearing in the wrists instead of hands depending on images seen by the person afflicted).
Sorry, don't buy the Muslim "stigmata" because it is a false religion.
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Old Jun 21, '08, 8:14 am
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Sorry, don't buy the Muslim "stigmata" because it is a false religion.
What do you mean by "false?"

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The Church's relationship with the Muslims. "The plan of salvation also includes those who acknowledge the Creator, in the first place amongst whom are the Muslims; these profess to hold the faith of Abraham, and together with us they adore the one, merciful God, mankind's judge on the last day."

We are in agreement than many things they believe are false. However, does this make their religion entirely false? As far as worldviews go, they are closer to the truth than most are. Some of the core beliefs of their religion make it a mostly true religion rather than a completely false one.

But like you, I am also very skeptical stigmata outside of our faith.

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What do you mean by "false?"

The Catechism states:

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The Church's relationship with the Muslims. "The plan of salvation also includes those who acknowledge the Creator, in the first place amongst whom are the Muslims; these profess to hold the faith of Abraham, and together with us they adore the one, merciful God, mankind's judge on the last day."

We are in agreement than many things they believe are false. However, does this make their religion entirely false? As far as worldviews go, they are closer to the truth than most are. Some of the core beliefs of their religion make it a mostly true religion rather than a completely false one.

But like you, I am also very skeptical stigmata outside of our faith.

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Do you deny that Islam is in a fight to the death with Christianity?
Because if you do deny it, you're in for a rude awakening. It is a false religion, because it is not of Christ. And anything that isn't of Jesus Christ, is a false religion.
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Old Jun 22, '08, 10:11 pm
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Do you deny that Islam is in a fight to the death with Christianity?
Because if you do deny it, you're in for a rude awakening. It is a false religion, because it is not of Christ. And anything that isn't of Jesus Christ, is a false religion.
The vast majority of Muslims do not want to slaughter Christians Cathdefender. There are numerous places in the world where Christians and Muslims live side by side in peace, though they may strongly disagree on religious grounds.

What the Church has to say about Islam is of Christ. Nothing I said contradicts that.

Let's hope and pray that we as Christians will love our enemies regardless of their religion.

It wouldn't surprise me if their is a coming global fight between so called Christians and so called Muslims. Perhaps a new thread should be started if you desire to pursue this topic.
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One particular is Therese Newman, a 20 year old peasant girl from Konnerseuth was a volunteer putting out a fire. It was 1918. She was standing on a chair passing pails to a man on a ladder, the heat was intense, . She felt dizzy and fell head first.
For the girl, Therese Newman, the ordeal had begun. She was badly injured. She was sent home from the hospital and was fast becoming an invalid. Her eyesight started going and by the end of 1918 she was bed ridden, blind and an invalid.
Fast forward:
Therese went into deep contemplation one day. She visualized Jesus with the cross on his shoulder. Thinking about the spear thrust into his side, she suddenly was aware of an acute pain in her side. She felt it and her hand was covered in blood. It continued for several hours witnessed by her sister-in-law.
On Good Friday the wounds appeared on both the palms exactly where Jesus was nailed.
Therese stigmata remained with her for 36 years. She gave up eating for the last 35 years of her life! She survived ONLY on the Eucharist and nothing more.

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Hello

This is very interesting, do you have a source?

Thanks

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Chronicity or severity has nothing to do with origin. Neumann actually was the source of Mel Gibson's characterization of the Jews in his movie, The Passion, since her visions were violently anti-semitic.

It is interesting that she has never been canonized or is even close to it, despite all her manifestations.

I'll wait for stigmatics to appear in the US and be worked up in some major medical center. Amazing that they don't appear here.
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Chronicity or severity has nothing to do with origin. Neumann actually was the source of Mel Gibson's characterization of the Jews in his movie, The Passion, since her visions were violently anti-semitic.

It is interesting that she has never been canonized or is even close to it, despite all her manifestations.

I'll wait for stigmatics to appear in the US and be worked up in some major medical center. Amazing that they don't appear here.
Was Neumann the source for Gibson's movie? I thought it was Anna Katherina Emmerich. You know, the one with the bandaged head on the cover of the TAN book containing her alleged visions?
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I thought the Jewish gospels were the primary source of Gibson's movie.

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I thought the Jewish gospels were the primary source of Gibson's movie.
Uh huh, that's where Veronica wiping Jesus' face comes from - it's right there in the opening credits that it's entirely based on Emmerich's book.
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I thought the Jewish gospels were the primary source of Gibson's movie.
There are no "Jewish gospels", in Judaism we do not have anything called that.

But as Lily said, the opening credits to the movie even say it was based on the alleged visions of Anna Catherina Emmerich.
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I realise that you don't call them Jewish gospels.
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WELL SAID! Furthermore, my awakening to Christ was THROUGH Padre Pio. This man was even able to read minds. He was attacked every day by the devil. Read the book if you further want to comment on this man chosen by God for his miracle. Did you know he also endured an operation without anesthesia? All documented by doctors and the like.
Hi Cath, yes you are right, or even St.Pio asked God to take his stigmata because he didn't want it to get people attention. But God's will said different thing, it appeared until St.Pio passed away then it disappeared and it happened with St. Francis of Asisi too.
I'm still reading Padre Pio the wonder worker. it's a good book about him I think.And for St. Francis of asisi I just finished reading "Francis of Asisi" by Adrian House.
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As for stigmata

http://scripturelink.googlepages.com...sa=Search#1184

As for Protestants "with" stigmata

http://scripturelink.googlepages.com...sa=Search#1209


as for
Therese Therese Neumann
http://scripturelink.googlepages.com...&sa=Search#467

http://scripturelink.googlepages.com...sa=Search#1209

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