Karl Keating's E-Letter of May 13, 2008

[viper78912]

If your "Catholic Institutions conduct yoga, enneagram Meditation, etc.," then those Bishops need to be reprimanded for their disobedience, and the abuse stopped.

In the United States, we are very accepting of everyone’s right to practice their own religion. Our constitution is founded on that very principle.

We have many VERY GOOD Catholic Priests in our Diocese that came from India. Our former Pastor worked in India trying to bring the Gospel message to Muslims, at GREAT PERSONAL DANGER. He often lamented how Hindu and Muslim practices (such as Yoga,) spread "like cancer," into Christian culture, contaminating it.

Back to the reference on the CCC # 819, both myself and Cherri have written it word for word, and shown how is does not, in any way, support your theory that yoga is OK. Didn't hold water then, and still doesn't now. [/quote]

Excommunication will counter Cardinal Ratzinger’s clarification. St. Iraneus taught that if Jesus is in the church, therefore Satan is outside. Therefore excommunicate!
St. Basil, however, decreed that God Died for all. God is Everywhere.
St. Augustine excommunicated himself when he knew that it was time for him to die. He wanted to feel the pain of the excommunicate. (Page 141.Journey into Easter. By Cardinal Ratzinger).
In he U.S.there are many centers in Yoga, New Age, Scientology, etc.The focus is on breath.
Breath is the psychic umbilical cord that connects us with The Creator.”God Blew into his nostrils the breath of life, and so man became a living being. (Gen.2:7).
” If your eye is sound, your body will be full of light.”(Matthew6:22).
In dream sleep, although our eyes are closed, we see with our third eye.
Elisha saw Elijah being carried up into heaven. (2 Kings2:11-12).
Peter, James and John saw the Transfiguration. (Matthew17:1-7). Then they looked up and saw only Jesus. (Matthew17:8).
The third eye is also on the $ bill, in the 6 Freemason signs: the Pyramids, the All seeing Eye, the Eagle, The Star of David, the Latin inscriptions: “ E Pluribus Unum”, (Out of the many, ONE- Anti Christ or Second Coming?) “Novus Ordo Seculorum” (New Age?).
The New American Bible clarifies the meaning of Matthew.16:18-19. “That the keys are those to the kingdom of heaven, and that Peter’s exercise of authority on earth will be confirmed in heaven show an intimate connection between, but not an identification of the church and the kingdom of heaven.”Fundamental Catholic priests and laity in India do oppose yoga, etc. However, once experienced, we celebrate the kingdom of heaven within us (Luke17.21). Air is around us and within us. We live when air is within us. Little children are enjoying this. Once we also were little children.”Amen, I say to you, whoever does not accept the kingdom of God like a child will not enter it.” (Luke.18:17).”
We are the lotus on dirty water. Jesus is The Divine Swan.
Religion is man made. Jesus Christ Did Not Die for religion. He Loved the World (John3:16).
God is not the author of confusion.
“Avoid foolish and ignorant disputes, knowing that they generate strife”. (2 Timothy2:23).
“All Scripture is given by inspiration of God. (2 Timothy3:16)
You cannot put new wine in old wineskins (Matthew9:17).
Jonah is a “didactic” story, a parable. “The animals wore sackcloth and ashes and fasted. (Jonah3:8).
Genesis 2 is a later insertion Yahwist insertion to the Elohist story. From In Gen.1, God is Elohim, the Trinitarian God.”Let us Make man in Our Image, after our Likeness.” Gen.1:26).
From Gen.2:5, God is Jehovah, the tribal God if the Hebrews. The story of Eve’s Creation (Gen.2:18-25), is the anthropomorphic Male Dominated God.
After Gen.5, God is Elohim, Jehovah, and Adonai.
Cain found a wife in the land of Nod (Gen.4:17).
“The sons of heaven saw how beautiful the daughters of man were, and so they took for their wives as many of them as they chose. (Gen.6:2). Literally “the sons of the gods”, i.e. the celestial beings of mythology. (NAB). This led to the diktat of women covering their heads. (1 Cor.11:3-6).
The New American Bible was initiated by Pope PiusXII on September 30, 1943 and authorized by Pope Paul VI on Sept.18, 1970.
The Vatican is free to proscribe the NAB.
Incidentally, I have lived and worked in the U.S.
Without flattery, I can boldly state that the US is the best country in the world, and, despite the inevitable intra personal/societal conflicts, Americans are God’s Own People.
God Bless you all!

[Jesus N Cherie]

VIPER, when will you make a point? All of those quotes, what about them? I respond to your posts, but you do not respond to my words. You just continue quoting things...totally out of context, like the words are supposed to mean something to someone.
You are trying to spread that which THE Antichrist will try to convince us of, and you are trying to say that you have reasons to believe all of the sacriligious and heretical things are true, even though the ACTUAL TRUTH OF JESUS CHRIST has been quoted in truth by myself and Kathy on this forum.
You are full of contradiction and confusion...and you were right about that one thing...confusion does not come from Jesus!
I have determined that you have no interest in the TRUTH of God's words, whether they be Catholic or Protestant. No other religion on earth is Truth. Islam has some basis in some aspects of Truth. Muslims are called infedels. Many will certainly get to Heaven because they believe in the one true God up to a point, and they worship Him with their whole lives and beings. Pagans have no basis in truth and deny the One True God...the Eternal Father, Jesus, the Son, Saviour of the world, and the Holy Ghost Who brings us Life in the giving of ability to know and love Jesus.

I am finished with this. Jesus said not to converse with evil, and unfortunately, when trying to debate with you, I have come to the conclusion that I am trying to convince the devil not to be a liar. You aren't in the Truth, and you don't show any signs of wanting to be. Therefore, I have nothing more to say to you.

[Kathy_16670]

Viper, I'll try to answer some of your "points," but since it's mostley quotes, I'll have to infer what point you are trying to make in most of them.

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***Excommunication will counter Cardinal Ratzinger’s clarification.***

I have to wonder if you understand the Catholic definition of excommunication? Here is a summery from New Advent:

General notions and historical summary

Excommunication (Latin ex, out of, and communio or communicatio, communion -- exclusion from the communion), the principal and severest censure, is a medicinal, spiritual penalty that deprives the guilty Christian of all participation in the common blessings of ecclesiastical society. Being a penalty, it supposes guilt; and being the most serious penalty that the Church can inflict, it naturally supposes a very grave offence. It is also a medicinal rather than a vindictive penalty, being intended, not so much to punish the culprit, as to correct him and bring him back to the path of righteousness. It necessarily, therefore, contemplates the future, either to prevent the recurrence of certain culpable acts that have grievous external consequences, or, more especially, to induce the delinquent to satisfy the obligations incurred by his offence. Its object and its effect are loss of communion, i.e. of the spiritual benefits shared by all the members of Christian society; hence, it can affect only those who by baptism have been admitted to that society. Undoubtedly there can and do exist other penal measures which entail the loss of certain fixed rights; among them are other censures, e.g. suspension for clerics, interdict for clerics and laymen, irregularity ex delicto, etc. Excommunication, however, is clearly distinguished from these penalties in that it is the privation of all rights resulting from the social status of the Christian as such. The excommunicated person, it is true, does not cease to be a Christian, since his baptism can never be effaced; he can, however, be considered as an exile from Christian society and as non-existent, for a time at least, in the sight of ecclesiastical authority. But such exile can have an end (and the Church desires it), as soon as the offender has given suitable satisfaction. Meanwhile, his status before the Church is that of a stranger. He may not participate in public worship nor receive the Body of Christ or any of the sacraments. Moreover, if he be a cleric, he is forbidden to administer a sacred rite or to exercise an act of spiritual authority.

***St. Iraneus taught that if Jesus is in the church, therefore Satan is outside. Therefore excommunicate!***

Not sure what you are referencing, but that is not an accurate summerization of the teachings of St. Irenaeus. For a brief understanding of him, go here:

http://www.ewtn.com/library/MARY/IRENAEUS.htm


***St. Basil, however, decreed that God Died for all. God is Everywhere.***

That's a pretty basic statement that sums up what the Church teaches. So, then, all Saints would agree.

***St. Augustine excommunicated himself when he knew that it was time for him to die. He wanted to feel the pain of the excommunicate. ***

Huh? You cant be excommunicated, and still be a Saint. I couldn't find anything on a valid Catholic sight that made any reference to this, so you will need to explain.

***(Page 141.Journey into Easter. By Cardinal Ratzinger).***

As far as I can find, the Holy Father never wrote a book by that title.


***In he U.S.there are many centers in Yoga, New Age, Scientology, etc.The focus is on breath.
Breath is the psychic umbilical cord that connects us with The Creator.”***

Yes, and just like St. Irenaeus taught about the Gnostics, these pagan pratices must stop.

***God Blew into his nostrils the breath of life, and so man became a living being. (Gen.2:7).*** Yes

And the Lord God formed man of the slime of the earth: and breathed into his face the breath of life, and man became a living soul. (Gen 2:7)

” If your eye is sound, your body will be full of light.”(Matthew6:22).
Again, yes.

Do not lay up for yourselves an earthly treasure. Moths and rust corrode; thieves break in and steal. Make it your practice instead to store up heavenly treasure, which neither moths nor rust corrode not thieves break in and steal. Remember, where your treasure is, there your heart is also. The eye is the body's lamp. If your eyes are good, your body will be filled with light; if your eyes are bad, your body will be in darkness. And if your light is darkness, how deep will the darkness be! (Matthew 6:19-24)
Discernment between what are the "chains" of this world, and what is aimed toward heaven. Discernment between good and evil.
When your light in the darkness to help you see, is not light at all, but more darkness, you can't see! (allowing evil spirits in through ouiji boards, tarrot cards, yoga, etc.)


***In dream sleep, although our eyes are closed, we see with our third eye.***
No! New Age hogwash! Power comes only from 1 of 2 sources - God or Satan. When you THINK the power is "with in you," then it's NOT comming from God!


***Elisha saw Elijah being carried up into heaven. (2 Kings2:11-12).***

Yes, and here is the footnotes about this particular passage of scripture:
"My father: a religious title accorded prophetic leaders; cf2 Kgs 6, 21:8,9. Israel's chariots and drivers; Elijah was worth more than a whole army in defending Israel and the TRUE RELIGION. King Joash of Israel uses the same phrase of Elisha himself.


Elisha seeing Elijah riding the chariot up to heaven was a gift from God, and as Elijah had prayer, a sign that God had given Elisha a double portion of his father's spirit. (A gift from God.)


***Peter, James and John saw the Transfiguration. (Matthew17:1-7). ***

Yes, a gift from God to reveal the Divinity of Jesus, to help our faith.

***Then they looked up and saw only Jesus. (Matthew17:8).***
Yeah


***The third eye is also on the $ bill, in the 6 Freemason signs: the Pyramids, the All seeing Eye, the Eagle, The Star of David, ***

Never heard of this before, could you site your sources?


***the Latin inscriptions: “ E Pluribus Unum”, (Out of the many, ONE- Anti Christ or Second Coming?)***

Originally suggesting that out of many colonies or states emerge a single nation, it has come to suggest in contemporary times that out of many peoples, races, and ancestries has emerged a single people and nation – illustrating the concept of the melting pot. wikipedia

***“Novus Ordo Seculorum” (New Age?).***

Novus Ordo Seclorum signifies "the beginning of the new American era," which commences from 1776. NOTE: Novus ordo seclorum does not properly translate into "new world order," which is an English phrase that, if converted to Latin, would not be novus ordo seclorum. Seclorum is a plural form (new worlds order?), and Thomson specifically said the motto refers to "the new American era" commencing in 1776. Quoted from http://www.greatseal.com/mottoes/seclorum.html

Please see 2nd post, as this one got REALLY long....

[Kathy_16670]

2nd Half of Reply....

**The New American Bible clarifies the meaning of Matthew.16:18-19. “That the keys are those to the kingdom of heaven, and that Peter’s exercise of authority on earth will be confirmed in heaven show an intimate connection between, but not an identification of the church and the kingdom of heaven.”***

The footnotes in my New American Bible, St. Joseph edition say:
"16:18 You are "Rock" the Greek petros and its Aramaic equivalent kepha, "rock" is here conferred on Simon as a personal name to indicate his role as the firm foundation on which Jesus builds his church. The jaws of death, literally, "the gates of Sheol" ie.. death's realm, here used to signify the power or force of evil responsible first for physical, then for spiritual death. The new people of God will overcome both forms of death to achieve the glorious entrance into the final kingdom."
"16:19 I will entrust...kingdom of heaven; ie spiritual power to be exercised over the life of God's people, in contrast to the previously mentioned "gates," ie the ever power of that would not prevail against the church. Simon Peter is the keeper of the keys, the one who has power to open and to close, to bind and to loose, to allow and to forbid. The exercise of the responsibility is here compared to the disciplinary and doctrinal authority of the rabbis who in Jesus' time interpreted the Old Testament for the faith and life of the people. The exact nature of the extraordinary power conferred became clear through the historical develoment of the Christian community in terms of the primacy of Peter, ie, his supreme authority in teaching, governing, and sanctifying the people of God."


***Fundamental Catholic priests and laity in India do oppose yoga, etc. However, once experienced, we celebrate the kingdom of heaven within us ***

Fundamental = those in Communion with the Holy Father
Liberal = make it up yourself as you go along.

Why do you think Jesus gave Peter the keys to the kingdom? To protect the faithful. Some very well meaning, but misguided people let bad things enter in. "Once experienced," your light is dimmed, and you are no longer able to discern good from evil, because you have, in effect, invited evil in to take up residence.
That is why the Pope is neccesary. Jesus promised that the Holy Spirit would protect and defend the teaching of the Catholic church through the Pope. The Holy spirit WILL NOT ALLOW the Pope to teach error in matters of doctrine and morality.

***(Luke17.21).***
Yes, the Reign of God is in our midst.
Why the reference?


***Air is around us and within us. ***
Yeah

***We live when air is within us. ***
Yeah

***Little children are enjoying this. ***
I certainly hope so!

***Once we also were little children.***
Yeah

”Amen, I say to you, whoever does not accept the kingdom of God like a child will not enter it.” (Luke.18:17).”
Yeah

***We are the lotus on dirty water. Jesus is The Divine Swan.***
Huh?
We are the creation of God, with a soul, and free will. Jesus in the divine SON, who came an redeemed up by His blood.

***Religion is man made.***
Wrong
***Jesus Christ Did Not Die for religion. ***
He died to save us from evil, but we have to choose to accept his gift! Flirting with the devil, and playing games with pagan rituals is throwing God's gift back in His face.

***He Loved the World (John3:16).***
Yes
***God is not the author of confusion.***
Exactley, and here, viper, you have hit the nail on the head. Satan is the author of all lies, and a deciever to the end. He wants to steal your soul, and as long as you play around in this new age garbage, he will get it! That should REALLY scare you!

***“Avoid foolish and ignorant disputes, knowing that they generate strife”. (2 Timothy2:23).***

Please, we need to look at this a little closer, and in proper context. Lets start at 2 Tim 2:20-26
"In every large household there are vessels not only of gold and silver but also of wood and clay, some for distinguished and others for common use. The lesson is that if a person will but cleanse himself of evil things he may be a distinguished vessel, dedicated and useful to the master of the house and ready for every noble service. So, turn from youthful passions and pursue integrity, faith, love, and peace, along with those who call on the Lord in purity of heart. Have nothing to do with senseless, ignorant disputations. As you well know, they only breed quarrels, and the servant of the Lord must not be quarrelsome but must be kindly toward all. He must be an apt teacher, patiently and gently correcting those who contradict him, in the hope always that God will enable them to repent and know the truth. Thus, taken captive by God to do his will, they shall escape the devil's trap.

***“All Scripture is given by inspiration of God. (2 Timothy3:16)***
Yeah
***You cannot put new wine in old wineskins (Matthew9:17).***
Right
***Jonah is a “didactic” story, a parable. “The animals wore sackcloth and ashes and fasted. (Jonah3:8).***
Yes
***Genesis 2 is a later insertion Yahwist insertion to the Elohist story.***
Gen 2 is Yahwist, Gen 1 is Priestly, and the Elohist and Deuteronomic strands run through out

***From In Gen.1, God is Elohim, the Trinitarian God.”Let us Make man in Our Image, after our Likeness.” Gen.1:26).***

Speaking specifically about Gen 1, my Bible's notes explain "To make the truths contained in this chapters intelligible to the Israelite people destined to preserve them, they needed to be expressed through elements prevailing among that people a t that time. For this reason, the truths themselves must therefore be clearly distinguished from their literary garb.

***From Gen.2:5, God is Jehovah, the tribal God if the Hebrews. The story of Eve’s Creation ***
Gen 2 is Yahwist, using Yahweh, not Jehovah.

***(Gen.2:18-25), is the anthropomorphic Male Dominated God.***
How do you support this?

***After Gen.5, God is Elohim, Jehovah, and Adonai.***
Sounds resonable, since all 4 are found in Gen

***Cain found a wife in the land of Nod (Gen.4:17).***
Yes, Nod meaning not so much one particular place, but the land of the nomads.

***“The sons of heaven saw how beautiful the daughters of man were, and so they took for their wives as many of them as they chose. (Gen.6:2). Literally “the sons of the gods”, i.e. the celestial beings of mythology. (NAB). ***

As disscussed before, "To make the truths contained in these chapters intelligible to the Israelite people destined to preserve them, they needed to be expressed through elements prevailing among that people a t that time. For this reason, the truths themselves must therefore be clearly distinguished from their literary garb. Footnotes explain: a fragment of an old legend that had borrowed much from ancient mythology. not only in order to account for the prehistoric giants of Palestine, but also to introduce the story of the flood with moran orientation- the constantly increasing wickedness of mankind.

***This led to the diktat of women covering their heads. (1 Cor.11:3-6).***
No, not really accurate.

***The New American Bible was initiated by Pope PiusXII on September 30, 1943 and authorized by Pope Paul VI on Sept.18, 1970.
The Vatican is free to proscribe the NAB.***
I'm not really sure on that, but I do know that the readings during Mass must be taken from a New American Bible.

***Incidentally, I have lived and worked in the U.S.
Without flattery, I can boldly state that the US is the best country in the world, and, despite the inevitable intra personal/societal conflicts, Americans are God’s Own People.
God Bless you all!***

Wow, that is very kind!
God Bless you, too.
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[SHEMP]

Originally Posted by Jesus N Cherie

Just a question. How many of the parishes in the diocese have perpetual adoration of the Blessed Sacrament?

In the Joliet Diocese, like most diocese, there are good parishes and there are parishes that need a lot of work. I will speak for Naperville, Illinois.

There are five parishes (2 out of 5 have perpetual adoration; 1 of 5 has the Latin Mass). These are my opinions which I hope are respectful.

St. Peter and Paul: Perpetual adoration for over 10 years. Latin mass at 5pm on Sundays. Great pastor who is also the head of the Diocese Pro-life activities. Great things going on at this parish.

St. Margaret Mary: Often read comments about how they are proud to do things their way. They have adoration on the first Friday of the month. Recent new pastor is up agains an entrenched staff that also likes to do things their way. Membership is on the decline

St. Thomas: Similar to Margaret Mary but their worship is even more "progressive". They do not have perpetual adoration.

Holy Spirit: Young parish with many young families with children. No perpetual adoration. Progressive Worship. Progressive pastor. Many good families though who want and deserve better.

St. Elizabeth Seton: Very good parish with perpetual adoration and strong core of young active families. Great programs. This parish continues to get better.

Nearby Parish in Lisle, Illinois: St. Joan of Arc is a very good parish with Perpetual Adoration.

[Jesus N Cherie]

Originally Posted by SHEMP

In the Joliet Diocese, like most diocese, there are good parishes and there are parishes that need a lot of work. I will speak for Naperville, Illinois.

There are five parishes (2 out of 5 have perpetual adoration; 1 of 5 has the Latin Mass). These are my opinions which I hope are respectful.

St. Peter and Paul: Perpetual adoration for over 10 years. Latin mass at 5pm on Sundays. Great pastor who is also the head of the Diocese Pro-life activities. Great things going on at this parish.

St. Margaret Mary: Often read comments about how they are proud to do things their way. They have adoration on the first Friday of the month. Recent new pastor is up agains an entrenched staff that also likes to do things their way. Membership is on the decline

St. Thomas: Similar to Margaret Mary but their worship is even more "progressive". They do not have perpetual adoration.

Holy Spirit: Young parish with many young families with children. No perpetual adoration. Progressive Worship. Progressive pastor. Many good families though who want and deserve better.

St. Elizabeth Seton: Very good parish with perpetual adoration and strong core of young active families. Great programs. This parish continues to get better.

Nearby Parish in Lisle, Illinois: St. Joan of Arc is a very good parish with Perpetual Adoration.

Should that not be proof right there that where people are worshipping and adoring Jesus 24 hours a day, 7 days a week He is among them and will bless them with good things...starting with the Truth. I pray that the parish of St. Margaret Mary will institute Perpetual Adoration...that God sends His saints to make it happen.

[viper78912]

Reply With Quote[/color][/quote]It matters not where one lives or worships in the world. The HOLY CATHOLIC CHURCH follows the Pope and Rome. In America, we also exist with other religions, but we Catholics know and acknowledge them, unless they are truly CHRISTIAN (which means that they have no pagan beliefs or practices) to be False!
The Church in Tndia has launched ‘The Catholic Bible’, incorporating Indian practices and symbology to explain Indianising worship.As far as no one having the right to excommunicate, maybe you should write the entire quote, because it seems as though you have taken a piece of a sentence and used it out of context.
“Journey into Easter” is a retreat preached by Cardinal Ratzinger to Pope John Paul II. I used page 141 to defend a parishioner Prayer Warrior who was attacked by the charismatics.



***Incidentally, I have lived and worked in the U.S.
Without flattery, I can boldly state that the US is the best country in the world, and, despite the inevitable intra personal/societal conflicts, Americans are God’s Own People.


Wow, that is very kind!
God Bless you, too.
All civilisations,Greek,Roman,Byzantine,etc. have not been able to achieve the democracy of the U.S.
God Bless you all!

[Jesus N Cherie]

Quote by viper: “Journey into Easter” is a retreat preached by Cardinal Ratzinger to Pope John Paul II. I used page 141 to defend a parishioner Prayer Warrior who was attacked by the charismatics."end quote.

Viper, I have looked for this. No one seems to know anything about it. I need more information...like where were you able to get it, who published it, and when, and who is the author of it? I would dearly love to read it.

Also, many have chosen to write their own translations of the Bible and the Catechism. Many in the USA have tried to do so. Just because something says Catholic doesn't mean that it is. You need to make sure that before you give any credit whatsoever to it, it has been approved by the Holy See.
And if something has the impramataur, it means that it shall be judged worthy or not by the fruit that it bears. If you read something with an impramataur, and it leads you to believe something against what the tradition of the Roman Catholic Church and the True Scriptures teach, then the fruits of it are evil and shall be judged by God to be so. Be very careful. Paganism and pantheism have no place in Christianity. Anything that says different is a LIE propagated by satan and his deminions to decieve and steal away from Jesus any soul that they can.

May the Truth of the Holy Spirit through the intercession of the Blessed Mother Mary lead you to the Wisdom of Christ Jesus, Who loves you and died so that you might live.

[viper78912]

Below is a Wikipedia extract. I will try to get the details as the book is in circulation at present.
Thank you for your input.
Categories: Pope Benedict XVI


From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
List of books by Pope Benedict XVI
God of Jesus Christ (1978)
Daughter Zion: Meditations on the Church's Marian Belief (1983)
Schauen auf den Durchbohrten: Versuche zu einer spirituellen Christologie - The Theological Basis for a Spiritual Christology (1984) (English title Behold the Pierced One, Ignatius, 1986)
The Ratzinger Report (1985) ISBN 0-89870-080-9
Dogma and Preaching (Franciscan Herald, 1985)
Feast of Faith: Approaches to a Theology of the Liturgy (Ignatius, 1986)
Principles of Christian Morality (Ignatius, 1986)
Journey Towards Easter: Retreat Given in the Vatican in the Presence of Pope John Paul II (1987)
God Bless you all!

[Jesus N Cherie]

Originally Posted by viper78912

Below is a Wikipedia extract. I will try to get the details as the book is in circulation at present.
Thank you for your input.
Categories: Pope Benedict XVI


From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
List of books by Pope Benedict XVI
God of Jesus Christ (1978)
Daughter Zion: Meditations on the Church's Marian Belief (1983)
Schauen auf den Durchbohrten: Versuche zu einer spirituellen Christologie - The Theological Basis for a Spiritual Christology (1984) (English title Behold the Pierced One, Ignatius, 1986)
The Ratzinger Report (1985) ISBN 0-89870-080-9
Dogma and Preaching (Franciscan Herald, 1985)
Feast of Faith: Approaches to a Theology of the Liturgy (Ignatius, 1986)
Principles of Christian Morality (Ignatius, 1986)
Journey Towards Easter: Retreat Given in the Vatican in the Presence of Pope John Paul II (1987)
God Bless you all!

Something else that might help you informationally. I could write out an encyclopedia article and post it on wickepedia, or change anythinging on wickepedia. It is almost totally untrustworthy for actual quotes, actions or events.
Just a word to those I pray are seeking the truth. Thank you for responding. I will look into the Ignatius Press, but it doesn't state that it was published. Just written in 1987. so anything more would be appriciated.

[Jesus N Cherie]

Originally Posted by williamsphere

We're in another decade where we're still talking about the same old things. Well, just get up and leave. Your worship experience has been destroyed, and you've been cheated by the revisionists.
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William, what are you even talking about?