Do we HAVE to vote for McCain?

[elts1956]

Originally Posted by Sailka

• I Never distort. Am all scientific facts, proofs, fully evaluated. The USCCB advises Clearly to Not vote One Issue.
  (1) Where do you get the number 50 million dead fetuses and children? I am more anti-abortion than you, but am all honest facts.

(2) The the Facts of Life on our economy? Apparently not:[/list](a) What is the Deficit this year?

• (b) What is the National Debt?

• (c) What is our Net Worth of the USA, including the National Parks, Government hard assets; Personal assets in USA, including your Car, Home, IRA's (Good Luck!)

• Know how we got here? Using the Pro-Life vote to Not win the 2000 Presidentials, buit to bring the vote close enough to [COLOR="blue"Steal. All Documented. But we abide by Courts.[/color][/color]Viet Vet Gore Needed ONE Electoral vote. And The Supreme Court voted Party Line to Stop counting Questioned Florida (thousands of Democratic votes were destroyed, not Counted, prevented, as is being prepared now)...resulting in Bush Ahead by 87 (Eighty Seven votes in Floida, thereby claiming Presidency.
  Where am I distorting that the USA is Now Bankrupt, technically. The GAO so Alluded May 2008. I furnished the key Sources For Proof. Pls Check them.

Sailka, I sincerely invite you to view the following:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l49YAASfwlA

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=61wj4tJICcc

http://www.fathercorapi.com/election.aspx

[elts1956]

Originally Posted by Thinks4Himself

No, you do not have to vote for McCain. Let not your heart be troubled.

I sincerely invite you to go to these links.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l49YAASfwlA

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=61wj4tJICcc

http://www.fathercorapi.com/election.aspx

[Leonardo_DV]

Do you HAVE a mind of your own?

Can't YOU choose who to vote for?

[elts1956]

Originally Posted by Thinks4Himself

No, you do not have to vote for McCain. Let not your heart be troubled.

Originally Posted by Leonardo_DV

Do you HAVE a mind of your own?

Can't YOU choose who to vote for?

I HAVE chosen. I have chosen for Christ and His Church.

[Valke2]

Originally Posted by elts1956

I HAVE chosen. I have chosen for Christ and His Church.

What ticket is Jesus running under this year?

[Leonardo_DV]

Originally Posted by elts1956

I HAVE chosen. I have chosen for Christ and His Church.

I'm sorry but religion and politics don't mix.

[estesbob]

Originally Posted by Leonardo_DV

I'm sorry but religion and politics don't mix.

Which is why you are in a religious forum discussing politics?

[Leonardo_DV]

Originally Posted by estesbob

Which is why you are in a religious forum discussing politics?

I'm in a religious forum yes. I'm not directly discussing politics as such. I simply made the statement that the two don't mix.

[Valke2]

Originally Posted by Leonardo_DV

I'm in a religious forum yes. I'm not directly discussing politics as such. I simply made the statement that the two don't mix.

I take my religion and politics shaken, not stirred.

[sedonaman]

Of course not. But you do have to consider some facts:

1. Obama is committed to maximizing the number of abortions through the FOCA because the abortion lobby has bankrolled his campaign;

2. McCain supports abortion in only very limited situations;

3. Candidate Joe Schmuckattelli is 100% behind the Catholic position on abortion, i.e., never justified under any circumstances. However, Joe Schmuckattelli hasn't a snowball's chance in hell of winning.

Therefore,

4. What course of action will further Catholic social teaching to produce a more just society?

[Note: Supporting firmly committed abortion candidates in the hope that in the long run abortions will be reduced is like subsidizing criminals in the hope crime will be reduced.]

For a good discussion see http://www.intellectualconservative....s-the-question

[Sailka]

Originally Posted by elts1956

Sailka, I sincerely invite you to view the following:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l49YAASfwlA

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=61wj4tJICcc

http://www.fathercorapi.com/election.aspx

• Am More against abortion than you are, And I protest on main street of Manassas against it, and Publish against it, rather effectively, one might say.
  • But, the USCCB, The ruling Catholic Authority in the USA has issued an ideal Issues Voting guide: www.faithfulcitizenship.org. Please read FC 42: we are Not One Issue Voters; FC 34 tells us that we can not vote for a candidate who opposes an intrinsic evil, while ignoring or Supporting other intrinsic evils, or not opposing them. FC 29 and others say we can not dismiss other Intrinsic Evil positions, like the 100% Unjustifiable war in Iraq, which has devastated that country Entirely, And Killed over 100,000. There is No excuse to Continue it, up to 100 years, til We Win. And the Total, Complete Bankruptcy of the USA, Destroying our Economic survivability Happening This Year. Etc, Etc, Etc. As Many other posts on this excellent Web have justified, Neither Candidate can be voted or supported in good conscience. Both have inherent Intrinsic Evils. What about our Health care, Educational, Bill paying future?
  All these have been Demolished Totally by the Current 'Pro-Life' administration, which Initiated/Created False enemies like Iraq, Iran, North Korea, and threatened to Conquer them Militarily, without negotiation. Killing, Known worldwide War Crime Torture of over 100,000 'suspects', over half Innocent, Unknowing isn't an Insane Intrinsic Evil ?

No One Issue Voting! And need to look at Which Party, Which Votes Caused the Gravest Inherent Evils in US History. The Current Administration. And what the Future holds, with Candidates We can vote for. History of the last 16 years 'says it all'. Know what happened last 16 years?

[exoflare]

Originally Posted by Sailka

No One Issue Voting! And need to look at Which Party, Which Votes Caused the Gravest Inherent Evils in US History. The Current Administration. And what the Future holds, with Candidates We can vote for. History of the last 16 years 'says it all'. Know what happened last 16 years?

The current administration!

How many people have died so far of abortion, and how many people have died as a result of the actions of our current administration? Please tell us; we're all curious.

[goofyjim]

Even a vote for Obama is not direct support of abortion. There may be other factors weighing on people's mind and hearts. I wish we would stop telling people it's amortal sin to vote for him or a third party candidate. This incessant badgering that it is a mortal sin to vote for anyoen else but McCain is getting us nowhere. We DON'T have to vote for McCain.

[Morgan2375]

As Catholics we know we "Can Not!" vote for Obama and we truly do not have to vote for McCain, we could vote for a more staunch pro-life supporter like Alan Keyes.

If he were a front runner with a chance of winning, I would most heartily endorse him but for the sake of unborn children in danger of abortion I am voting for a pro-life ticket with a strong chance of winning.

The fate of millions of unborn babies, God's creation, lie in the palm of our hand as we vote, we must remain focused on life as we cast our vote. We certainly do no not HAVE to vote for McCain to be true to ourselves as American Catholic Christians, but as the highest profiled contender with the greatest chance of defeating the pro-abortion candidate we must vote for McCain.

[elts1956]

Originally Posted by Valke2

What ticket is Jesus running under this year?

PRO LIFE! From conception to natural death.