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Old Nov 15, '08, 11:13 am
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I have asked this question three or more times and have not received a true answer. ( Does the church know or have any true documentation as to when the soul is infused into the body? ) To date I have not received a satisfactory response. Could anyone help with this matter. Thank you, Leaneul A Parrotte
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Old Nov 15, '08, 11:26 am
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The Church teaches that it happens at conception.

I'm not sure what you consider "true documentation", since it's not something anyone can ever see happen.
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I have asked this question three or more times and have not received a true answer. ( Does the church know or have any true documentation as to when the soul is infused into the body? ) To date I have not received a satisfactory response. Could anyone help with this matter. Thank you, Leaneul A Parrotte
The Church teaches this regarding the sanctity of human life:

2270 Human life must be respected and protected absolutely from the moment of conception. From the first moment of his existence, a human being must be recognized as having the rights of a person - among which is the inviolable right of every innocent being to life.

Regarding precisely when the soul enters the body, no, the Church does not teach definitively on that topic.
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The Church teaches this regarding the sanctity of human life:

2270 Human life must be respected and protected absolutely from the moment of conception. From the first moment of his existence, a human being must be recognized as having the rights of a person - among which is the inviolable right of every innocent being to life.

Regarding precisely when the soul enters the body, no, the Church does not teach definitively on that topic.
The Church does define the human as a body/soul unity. This is very clear. Now, that being the case, if human life begins at the moment of conception and a human is a body/soul unity then it only equates to the soul being created at the moment of conception.............Or better perhaps, could there be human life without a soul if even for a few seconds? .............teachccd
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I have asked this question three or more times and have not received a true answer. ( Does the church know or have any true documentation as to when the soul is infused into the body? ) To date I have not received a satisfactory response. Could anyone help with this matter. Thank you, Leaneul A Parrotte
Hi jewish and Christian (myth) states that at the moment of birth/life a sparow takes a soul from the hall of souls in heaven and delivers it to the child thus give it life. I guess the mother and child share a soul until then. Yours in Christ,Gary B.
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Or better perhaps, could there be human life without a soul if even for a few seconds?
We don't know and the Church doesn't teach on this subject definitively. The Church regards the life as human from the moment of conception, but the Church does not have a precise teaching on ensoulment.

2274 Since it must be treated from conception as a person, the embryo must be defended in its integrity, cared for, and healed, as far as possible, like any other human being.
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We don't know and the Church doesn't teach on this subject definitively. The Church regards the life as human from the moment of conception, but the Church does not have a precise teaching on ensoulment.

2274 Since it must be treated from conception as a person, the embryo must be defended in its integrity, cared for, and healed, as far as possible, like any other human being.

I think that the Church is very clear that a human being is a body/soul unity. I think that the Church is very clear that the human being exists from the moment of conception. Now if you put the two explicit teachings together, how can one say that it is unclear when the human soul is created? Your quote from the CCC par.# 2274 states that a human being exists from the moment of conception. Anyway................peace..........tea chccd
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The Church teaches that it happens at conception.

I'm not sure what you consider "true documentation", since it's not something anyone can ever see happen.
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Conception. Otherwise abortion wouldn't be murder.
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the problem with assigning a unique soul infusion at conception is that there are very rare cases when two zygotes will fuse to form one. this begs the question of what happens to the souls--do they fuse or does one pass on to limbo/heaven?

therefore, reducing the argument to DNA = a human soul has problems. the soul probably infuses as soon as it can in the body. in the case of two zygotes that fuse, before fusion perhaps they are not two souls but one.

i don't think science or theology can sort this out definitively.
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I have asked this question three or more times and have not received a true answer. ( Does the church know or have any true documentation as to when the soul is infused into the body? ) To date I have not received a satisfactory response. Could anyone help with this matter. Thank you, Leaneul A Parrotte
The Church teaches that the soul, which is the life of the body, enters the human body at conception, because according to science life begins at conception.

It is also noteworthy to note the worth of the Immaculate Conception. Mary's soul was created by God and infused with sanctifying grace at the same time. If this was at her conception, than it is proof from God that life dose begin at conception.
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Conception. Otherwise abortion wouldn't be murder.
Abortion IS murder, legal murder, but still morally murder.
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Conception. Otherwise abortion wouldn't be murder.
I think your reasoning is backwards... and still flawed even if you put it in the right order.
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Abortion IS murder, legal murder, but still morally murder.

Now I'm confused...I didn't say abortion wasn't murder?

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I think your reasoning is backwards... and still flawed even if you put it in the right order.
Care to explain?
I said that life begins at conception, if it didn't then abortion wouldn't be murder? Did I say something wrong? Abortion is murder because it is killing a life. Now if life didn't start at conception, then ending that conception wouldn't be ending that life, sinse it didn't start yet. Right? But sinse life has started, it is murder. I dont understand why this statement is problematic. Perhaps you will enlighten me.
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Yes, it is true that life begins at conception but the Catholic church has never determined at what exact moment the soul is infused, so if the soul is not present the life is not a Human life yet. Am I wrong in this assumption ? Please advise. Thank you.

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