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Old Dec 28, '08, 7:41 pm
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Default Jan 1 Holy Day of Obligation?

I live in the Archdiocese of Los Angeles and the Ordo states that Jan 1st is a Holy Day of Obligation. My parish and some surrounding parishes are saying that it is not. So is it or is it not? Personally, I will be attending Mass but I have some that I would like to advise. Thank you and God bless..................teachccd
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Old Dec 28, '08, 7:42 pm
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January 1st is the Feast of the Blessed Virgin Mary and is a Holy Day of Obligation. I'll see you in church!
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Old Dec 28, '08, 8:10 pm
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"Holy Days of Obligation The Archdiocese of Los Angeles usually observes 4 solemnities designated as Holy Days of Obligation with the obligation to participate in Mass: Christmas (December 25), Mary, Assumption (August 15), All Saints (November 1) and the Immaculate Conception (December 8).The Ascension of the Lord is celebrated on the Seventh Sunday of Easter. In the dioceses of the California province (including the Archdiocese of Los Angeles), the Solemnity of Mary, Mother of God (January 1) is not celebrated as a holy day of obligation "
http://www.archdiocese.la/prayer/wor...iturgical.html

Just to mess with your mind, they add the following...

"The U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops’ Committee on the Liturgy has provided the following guidelines for determining exceptions to the above observations:

when January 1, August 15, November 1 fall on a Saturday or a Monday, the obligation to participate in Mass does not hold.
when December 8 falls on a Saturday or a Monday, the obligation to participate in Mass remains.
when December 8 falls on a Sunday, the observance is transferred to Monday, December 9 and there is no obligation to participate in Mass."

The LA prelate continues to fashion his own rules for his own church...dang, I'm glad I'm outta there!

I'll be at Mass bright and early on the 1st if I can't stay awake for midnight Mass on the 31st.
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Old Dec 28, '08, 8:50 pm
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We have an answer from Fr Serpa:

http://forums.catholic.com/showthread.php?t=296991
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Old Dec 28, '08, 9:06 pm
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In the Archdiocese of Los Angeles it is not a holy day of obligation. See http://www.archdiocese.la/prayer/wor...iturgical.html :

Holy Days of Obligation The Archdiocese of Los Angeles usually observes 4 solemnities designated as Holy Days of Obligation with the obligation to participate in Mass: Christmas (December 25), Mary, Assumption (August 15), All Saints (November 1) and the Immaculate Conception (December 8).The Ascension of the Lord is celebrated on the Seventh Sunday of Easter. In the dioceses of the California province (including the Archdiocese of Los Angeles), the Solemnity of Mary, Mother of God (January 1) is not celebrated as a holy day of obligation. The U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops’ Committee on the Liturgy has provided the following guidelines for determining exceptions to the above observations:

* when January 1, August 15, November 1 fall on a Saturday or a Monday, the obligation to participate in Mass does not hold.
* when December 8 falls on a Saturday or a Monday, the obligation to participate in Mass remains.
* when December 8 falls on a Sunday, the observance is transferred to Monday, December 9 and there is no obligation to participate in Mass.
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Old Dec 28, '08, 10:12 pm
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Default Re: Jan 1 Holy Day of Obligation?

Wikipedia has an interesting take on the subject.

Roman Catholic Archdiocese of Los Angeles
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roman_C...of_Los_Angeles

Under the Holy Days of Obligation subtopic it lists the same information quoted in some of the previous posts
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The province does not celebrate the solemnity of Mary, Mother of God as a holy day
but it includes the caveat:
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[3]Though this move was not approved by the proper channels, namely the Episcopal Conference with approval of Rome.
What this all boils down to is that it is true that the province of Los Angeles does say that they do not observe the Solemnity of Mary, Mother of God as a day of obligation. And as a result many parishes do not offer any additional Masses beyond what they would on any other day. But the Masses offered on January 1st in the Province of Los Angeles will be for the Solemnity and it is unlikely *sarcasm alert* that anyone will be declared anathema for attending Mass on an unobserved Holy Day.

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Old Dec 28, '08, 11:09 pm
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"The province does not celebrate the solemnity of Mary, Mother of God as a holy day.[3]Though this move was not approved by the proper channels, namely the Episcopal Conference with approval of Rome."

What on earth? An entire diocese can decide not to observe a Holy Day without approval of Rome??? Can we consider this bishop to be in union with the Pope? Why doesn't Rome do something about this???
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Old Dec 28, '08, 11:41 pm
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I don't live in CA ,but here in Hawaii , Jan 1 is not a Holy Day of Obligation, however ,our parish priest will hold mass at 9am and encourages everyone that it is a good way to start the NEW YEAR with CHRIST....I think him wise.....With Warmth & Aloha, LynneMarie
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Old Dec 28, '08, 11:57 pm
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I was told at my church that it wasn't a holy day of obligation for us either. Either way I can't attend mass, I'll be on a flight for the whole day. Oh well, guess it's on to confession with me.
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An Ordinary can dispense with the obligation to attend mass on a Holy Day without permission from the Holy See as long as he has just cause.

Just cause can include weather, lack of priests, grave inconvenience to the faithful and several other causes that I can't recall.

To the best of my knowledge, the only day that may not be dispensed is Christmas.

This was my last training on this rule. We used this rule in the missions, because our priests had to travel to five different places to celebrate mass. It was often very draining to do this on Sunday and again two days later. In this case it would be Thursday and again on Saturday and Sunday. The trip included mass and confessions. We're talking about 2.5 hours in each place.

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Old Dec 29, '08, 3:08 am
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An Ordinary can dispense with the obligation to attend mass on a Holy Day without permission from the Holy See as long as he has just cause.

Just cause can include weather, lack of priests, grave inconvenience to the faithful and several other causes that I can't recall.

To the best of my knowledge, the only day that may not be dispensed is Christmas.

This was my last training on this rule. We used this rule in the missions, because our priests had to travel to five different places to celebrate mass. It was often very draining to do this on Sunday and again two days later. In this case it would be Thursday and again on Saturday and Sunday. The trip included mass and confessions. We're talking about 2.5 hours in each place.

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When the rest of the country is able to honour this Holy Day, it would be difficult to claim "just cause" for the Archdiocese of Los Angeles, don't you think?
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Old Dec 29, '08, 3:42 am
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Note that the term province is not JUST the Archdiocese; in the case of the Province of the Archbishop of LA, it also includes the suffragan dioceses: Fresno, Monterey, Orange, San Bernardino, San Diego.

The Byzantine Ruthenians do not have a holy day of obligation on the 1st; it is a solemn holy day, but not an obligation, throughout the Province/Church Sui Iuris of the Ruthenian Byzantine Catholic Metropolitan Church of Pittsburgh (Archeparchy of Pittsburgh, Eparchies of Passaic, Van Nuys, and Parma). The 6th is obligatory: the Circumcision of the Lord.

Difference is that Sui Iuris churches are permitted by Rome to alter the obligation days somewhat. Provinces and Dioceses of the Roman Church are not without approval of their National Conference of Bishops; even then, they can only transfer the obligation days to sundays or add additional ones.

I suspect that the actual decision was that the Archbishop transferred the obligation to the sunday nearest, and simply worded it poorly.
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Old Dec 29, '08, 3:47 am
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Note that the term province is not JUST the Archdiocese; in the case of the Province of the Archbishop of LA, it also includes the suffragan dioceses: Fresno, Monterey, Orange, San Bernardino, San Diego.

The Byzantine Ruthenians do not have a holy day of obligation on the 1st; it is a solemn holy day, but not an obligation, throughout the Province/Church Sui Iuris of the Ruthenian Byzantine Catholic Metropolitan Church of Pittsburgh (Archeparchy of Pittsburgh, Eparchies of Passaic, Van Nuys, and Parma). The 6th is obligatory: the Circumcision of the Lord.
Why is the 6th the Circumcision and not Epiphany? Until the Feast of Mary, Mother of God was moved there, January 1 was known as the Circumcision of the Lord -- logical since the Jews circumcise on the 8th day.
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I was told at my church that it wasn't a holy day of obligation for us either. Either way I can't attend mass, I'll be on a flight for the whole day. Oh well, guess it's on to confession with me.

If you truly cannot get to Mass because of travel then it will not be a mortal sin if you miss it. Try a Vigil mass .
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Why is the 6th the Circumcision and not Epiphany? Until the Feast of Mary, Mother of God was moved there, January 1 was known as the Circumcision of the Lord -- logical since the Jews circumcise on the 8th day.
I typoed; caught it too late. 1st is circumcision & st basil, 6th epiphany.. 6th is the obligation. tired.
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