Pope Endorses "World Political Authority"

[Archie]

This does belong in the Secular News section because this is indeed a big item in the secular news.

I searched around and could not find this mentioned anywhere. Forgive me if I overlooked it. This is a rather big story and I find nothing on it in these forums.

http://www.vatican.va/holy_father/be...ritate_en.html

The Pope to me is saying a one world system is good. But I believe a one world system by its very nature, by its very centrality, is rule by the elites of the world. To me, a one world system can be nothing other than a death and slavery system.

I do not agree with everything Cliff Kincaid writes, but I think he is absolutely correct in his observations here.

http://www.newswithviews.com/Kincaid/cliff329.htm

[Incomplete]

See if this helps:

http://www.lifesitenews.com/ldn/2009/jul/09070812.html

[Archie]

Well, I was not in need of "help" as I posted the original encyclical and one article.

The article you posted seems like typical Catholic mumbo jumbo. The Pope IS endorsing a "world political authority." The Pope is in favor of the U.N.

[Kuzushi]

Yep, you are right Archie. I did not see your thread when I posted mine entitled Pope thinks he is economist and wants one world order.

[roveau]

I'm interpreting this as that the Pope wants Christ to return as soon as possible. There would be your world political authority and it would be a good one!

Rove

[Mattapoisett64]

The radio preachers in my area are having a field day with this: At last! The Vatican shows its true colors! One World Government - under the pope of course! One world religion forced on everyone! Enforced by the Jesuits (of course)! And of course under a common economic system, everyone will need to take on the Mark of the Beast in order to buy or sell anything. Makes for very entertaining listening.

[Incomplete]

Originally Posted by Archie

Well, I was not in need of "help" as I posted the original encyclical and one article.

The article you posted seems like typical Catholic mumbo jumbo. The Pope IS endorsing a "world political authority." The Pope is in favor of the U.N.

Sorry. When you said

The Pope to me is saying a one world system is good

I thought you'd like to hear what others are saying, too, to get a different viewpoint from what you had already read. Obviously others read it differently. In fact, there are several good articles that take it differently. I thought you were looking for clarification on if this was just how you were reading it.

My apologies.

[Liraco]

Originally Posted by Archie

The Pope to me is saying...

Don't say that you interpret his words in one way and then state it as a fact later when presented with the Catholic side of what was said (which is pointless to refute if you're going to pay attention to the Pope in the first place). At least admit that it's your view, you said so yourself.

"We must," he says "promote a dispersed political authority." He explains that "The integrated economy of the present day does not make the role of States redundant, but rather it commits governments to greater collaboration with one another. Both wisdom and prudence suggest not being too precipitous in declaring the demise of the State.

Read it a few times and you'll clearly see that he's asking for collaboration between governments but also for the INDIVIDUAL states to take responsibility. He's talking about how OTHERS talk about the demise of the state and how it'll all coalesce into one form of government but he talks about how it'd be prudent to not think in those terms.

The new world order (and especially under the pope) is a laughable concept. I wonder what other things are going to be stated as being "promoted" by the Pope.

[pnewton]

Rather he said:

"Despite some of its structural elements, which should neither be denied nor exaggerated, “globalization, a priori, is neither good nor bad."

Doesn't anyone read these things or do they just take the soundbites from them.

What he said about "teeth" was:

"In the face of the unrelenting growth of global interdependence, there is a strongly felt need, even in the midst of a global recession, for a reform of the United Nations Organization, and likewise of economic institutions and international finance, so that the concept of the family of nations can acquire real teeth. "

In light of the title (also ignored by all it seems) the practical teeth involves charity, not government. It is only the concept of the family of nations he wishes to see furthered, not UN interventions, one world government or any of the other lies being spread.

[GeorgeSword]

For those of us interested in reading it, such as myself, where can it be found?
And exactly what is so bad about the U.N. to some people?

[Kuzushi]

I am seriously alarmed that no one appears to share my concern that the leader of the Catholic Church wants to give “more teeth” to the UN over the financial destiny of free Americans. Instead of dismay or even curiosity I see apathy and resignation. I would not be surprised if one day the Pope looses his grip on reality and starts saying outrageous things like “the sky is red,” and some Catholics obediently support him with equally silly explanations like “well he really means that the heavens are red with the blood of Christ.” Words mean something. He said what he said.

Looking at the Pope’s picture in WSJ signing his letter with a HUGE gold ring I think it would be poetic justice if the Pope gets his wish, and the first edict of the newly empowered UN is to demand that the Vatican sell all its wealth to feed the poor. Somehow I just don’t think the good Pontiff would look so good with gold spray paint and cubic zirconium.

[Rolltide]

Some more rational thoughts about the new papal encyclical with commentary from Father Z:

Why does Pope Benedict talk about Humanae Vitae in the new encyclical?
http://wdtprs.com/blog/2009/07/why-d...ew-encyclical/

Encycli-bites for reading in Caritas in Veritate
http://wdtprs.com/blog/2009/07/encyc...s-in-veritate/

An important paragraph in Caritas in Veritate
http://wdtprs.com/blog/2009/07/an-im...s-in-veritate/

[JaMc]

Originally Posted by Archie

Well, I was not in need of "help" as I posted the original encyclical and one article.

The article you posted seems like typical Catholic mumbo jumbo. The Pope IS endorsing a "world political authority." The Pope is in favor of the U.N.

Go back to the encyclical, do a "Ctrl+f", and type in "subsidiarity." Read the paragraphs where the word comes up. Then go to www.google.com, and type in "subsidiarity." After going through the links, you'll find some more "Catholic mumbo-jumbo," saying something like this:

"1883 Socialization also presents dangers. Excessive intervention by the state can threaten personal freedom and initiative. The teaching of the Church has elaborated the principle of subsidiarity, according to which "a community of a higher order should not interfere in the internal life of a community of a lower order, depriving the latter of its functions, but rather should support it in case of need and help to co- ordinate its activity with the activities of the rest of society, always with a view to the common good."

The Pope may be "in favor of the U.N.," but not the U.N. as we know it, and, indeed, a sort of U.N. that we may never see. Rather, he supports a U.N. that is pro-life, and respects the principle of subsidiarity. In other words, a hypothetical, theoretical, academic "U.N." that will probably never materialize.

[Earnest Bunbury]

“Political authority” also involves a wide range of values, which must not be overlooked in the process of constructing a new order of economic productivity, socially responsible and human in scale. As well as cultivating differentiated forms of business activity on the global plane, we must also promote a dispersed political authority, effective on different levels. The integrated economy of the present day does not make the role of States redundant, but rather it commits governments to greater collaboration with one another...The articulation of political authority at the local, national and international levels is one of the best ways of giving direction to the process of economic globalization. It is also the way to ensure that it does not actually undermine the foundations of democracy. Caritas in veritate 41.

Doesn't sound like a one world gov to me. Unless it is a democratic, non-confederated, locally autonomous, one world gov... I'd buy that for a dollar! One World Gov. endorsed by the pope! How people come up with these obvious falsehoods is beyond me.

[Earnest Bunbury]

Originally Posted by JaMc

Go back to the encyclical, do a "Ctrl+f"

Dude, that is the best thing ever! Thx