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[Jo Benedict]

Please consider this a postscript to the thread SSPX Discussions:

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[Lhhs]

Originally Posted by NMJenny

You can buy them in many places....

www.MemoriaPress.com

Prima Latina
Latina Christiana 1
Latina Christiana 2
Henle First Year

[joshhackerspmdo]

Tan Publishing has a series of two books that deal specifically with ecclesiastical latin: The first Latin Grammar is designed for the total beginner to enable one to understand the tridentine mass and roman brevery the second is called Second latin and is designed to give one the grammar and vocabulary necessary for the study of Philosophy, canon law, and theology. Both of these text are availible from http://www.amazon.com for under 20 dollors each.

[PhilotheaZ]

I realize this is an old thread, but I just discovered it, so, "better late than never," here's my suggestion:

The website http://www.latin-mass-society.org/simplicissimus/ has a free, downloadable course with the aim of teaching you exactly the Latin you need to understand the Mass.

[St Francis]

Originally Posted by joshhackerspmdo

Tan Publishing has a series of two books that deal specifically with ecclesiastical latin: The first Latin Grammar is designed for the total beginner to enable one to understand the tridentine mass and roman brevery the second is called Second latin and is designed to give one the grammar and vocabulary necessary for the study of Philosophy, canon law, and theology. Both of these text are availible from http://www.amazon.com for under 20 dollors each.

That link will not lead you to these books, which are by Scanlon & Scanlon, here at TAN. This link directs you to the set of both books for $27; links at the bottom of that page will direct you to the individual volumes.

[Zooey]

Originally Posted by Lhhs

www.MemoriaPress.com

Prima Latina
Latina Christiana 1
Latina Christiana 2
Henle First Year

They also have:
Henle's Latin Grammar (essential w/any of Henle Latin texts)
Henle Second Year
Henle Third Year
Henle Fourth Year.

[tee_eff_em]

LATIN GRAMMAR and SECOND LATIN by Scanlon and Scanlon

Originally Posted by St Francis

That link will not lead you to these books, which are by Scanlon & Scanlon, here at TAN. This link directs you to the set of both books for $27; links at the bottom of that page will direct you to the individual volumes.

I recently acquired these books, on the recommendations here and elsewhere in the forum, and likewise of other Latinists with whom I rub elbows.

They are very dense texts, succinct on the grammar, but filled with exercises. If you have a teacher to flesh out the grammar and to offer guidance on the exercises, or if you have previous Latin experience, these seem like wonderful resources (Indeed, fully a third(!) of Latin Grammar is devoted to the Latin-English (no reverse) Lexicon).

But I am not otherwise convinced they would be the best (or even viable) choice for the beginner / self-student. Caveat discipulus.

tee

[Jo Benedict]

Magisterial documents:

• Ecclesia Dei by John Paul II
  (On the excommunication of Abp. Lefebvre; July 2, 1988)
• Summorum Pontificum by Benedict XVI
  (On the extraordinary form of the Roman rite; i.e., the Tridentine Mass; July 7, 2007)
• Letter to the Bishops on Summorum Pontificum by Benedict XVI
  (Explanatory letter for Summorum Pontificum; July 7, 2007)
• The Excommunication of Followers of Abp. Lefebvre by the Pontifical Council for the Interpretation of Legal Texts
  (On the status of adherents to the Lefebvre movement; August 24, 1996)
• Remission of Excommunication against Lefebvre Bishops by the Congregation for Bishops
  (On the status of the bishops of the Lefebvre movement as of January 24, 2009)

Ecclesial documents:

(Please note that these documents do not represent binding magisterial teaching but the educated opinions of the author.)

• Status of the Society of St. Pius X by Msgr. Camille Perl
• Letter Regarding Society of St. Pius X Masses by Msgr. Camille Perl

[ASD]

Originally Posted by tee_eff_em

LINGUA LATINA per se illustrata, by Hans Oerberg
...
I cannot personally judge how effective the course is for a novice, but many Latin teachers swear by this course and method over grammar based methods.

A few months ago I stumbled on a website called Latin By the Dowling Method. The claim made there is that people have trouble learning Latin because books & courses jump around too much. Instead, he advocates a more gradual approach:

1. Memorize declensions, conjugations, &c.
2. Read Lingua Latina, which builds up gradually. It doesn't jump around trying to mention lots of different grammatical concepts. Instead, one reads with comprehension from the start.

I have been doing this with my daughter, who is 9 years old in the 4th grade. We're memorizing declensions & reading the stories in Lingua Latina.

So, far it has been a very positive experience. For a year or so I felt like I was getting nowhere with Latin. Now, I feel like we're making steady progress.

ASD
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Traditional Latin Mass: Grammar and Translation

[Geremia]

Here are excellent resources:

• Simplicissimus, an excellent, free, online Latin course from the Latin Mass Society of England and Wales
• Lewis & Short's A Latin Dictionary, the famous Latin dictionary accessible for free online
• Perseus Word Study Tool, a morphological analysis of inflected Latin words

It is great you want to learn Latin. Read what the Baltimore Catechism says about Latin:

Q. 566. Why does the Church use the Latin language instead of the national language of its children?
A. The Church uses the Latin language instead of the national language of its children:

1. To avoid the danger of changing any part of its teaching in using different languages;
2. That all its rulers may be perfectly united and understood in their communications;
3. To show that the Church is not an institute of any particular nation, but the guide of all nations.

[tee_eff_em]

PHONETICA LATINÆ

PHONETICA LATINÆ -- How to pronounce Latin is an extremely good audio resource for the pronunciation of Ecclesiastical Latin. (This site had fallen off the net for a time, but to MaryBernard on another thread, who discovered its new and more persistent appearing location!)

tee

[Jo Benedict]

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[Thomas Casey]

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[Thomas Casey]

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