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Old Apr 14, '05, 5:10 pm
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Default Maybe Holy Spirit inspired interfaith approach of PJP2

I wonder sometimes if the Assissi interfaith events and his kissing the Koran is one of God's ways we don't understand how it can be ok. I think it is right feared to lead to indifference but maybe that won't happen if PJP2 was inspired to do that. Maybe that reaching out and seeking reconcilliation was in God's plans. I don't know. He's gotten so many faithful youth energized and mobilized. Maybe we who are resisting are being like the Pharisees and those who walked away when he said he was giving them his body and blood to eat since it was sacrilege in their traditions to eat things with blood in it much worse, human flesh (as they understood he meant epidermis and blood cells as we see flesh).
Maybe also, the Latin mass was meant to become the novus ordo by the Holy Spirit (but was taken out of context purposely by radicals who removed Latin, Gregorian chant and holy art). Sure, the liturgy may have mirrored Cranmer's model, but could that have been God's attempt to bring Protestants into the Church? Maybe the intentions for Pope Paul 6 was similar to the decision to go from the narrow windows to large stain-glassed ones and from the flying buttresses of Notre Dame in France to less ornate ones--leading eventually to baroque.
I hope Ecclesia Dei is never revoked because as San Francisco has a Notre Dame looking church as well as other styles, so should Latin masses coexist with novus ordo masses. After all, there are charismatic masses--just as long as the church building meets the specifications for a Catholic Church and not a modern art museum or a giant teepee that would work as a sweat lodge (see "Ugly as Sin" for correct Catholic architecture and art ).
Hopefully, after the cardinal of Los Angeles passes away, we can laicize the Los Angeles Cathedral and bulldoze it (as I hear happened to the previous cathedral there) in place of a true Catholic church building with true Catholic art (even the secular press play Gregorian chant and film traditional church buildings-instead of the L.A. Cathedral--for segments on the Church so let's not pretend we don't need to see exclusively certain art as Catholic and that modernist versions of Catholic art is a natural transistion). Hopefully we can do that to other churches that are ugly as sin so that the holy Biblical and from lives of the saints images meant for the poor who couldn't read will come back into all parishes for our benefit.
We need to have Latin in all parishes also. It doesn't have to be as much as tridentine masses or even as much as EWTN masses--but at least put into hymns. I believe Vatican 2 intended to take our faith and its art out to others in forms that connect with other people but it did not mean to kick out Catholic art and replace it with art from "the world". We are beings that need to absorb our faith through the senses. The communists have admitted that they would have us absorb perversity through our senses. Which will it be that we see, Catholic arts or perverse arts? Catholic steeples extending above other non-skyscraper buildings or highway billboards with ads for casinos and strip shows. We may not be pre-Vatican 2, but we need to fight perversity with sacred art and not art from the same "world" that produces perversity.
Of course, I could be wrong. Maybe the novus ordo was not hazardous but less holy. I'm just being open-minded--that is, considering other possibilities regarding traditions that's not against dogma or common sense. I still will go to tridentine masses more often than not because there is no chance there of being scandalized by modernist elements not of the Holy Spirit creeping into parishes and probably, as a consequence, the faith of Catholics.
 

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