Rotshchild's influencing doctrinal development in the Church

[Wildkit]

Stop. Sentence by sentence if you please.

Originally Posted by AdrianP

I don't think so and I prove it.

Did you mean I proved it? If this is what you meant, where did you “prove” something? What was it that you proved?

Originally Posted by AdrianP

So your bussiness is in competition with a company X and you put the founder of company X to control your money and think you're doing a good job? Don't think so.

I didn’t know I was in competition with another company, but this seems to be the basis of your argument. As a businessman, as brother raphinal pointed out and implied, he has no problem putting the best person in the job to do the task. I agree, but you seem to have the issue with this here. Yet as a businessman, what do you do, when the subordinate does not abide by your wishes?

The first thing I would do would be to examine my controls why this “person” could have acted outside of his authority, then I would make a change. The change might include firing this person! Yet I sense you don’t have this same perspective of organizational or business behavior.

Originally Posted by AdrianP

Even a two stories shopping center may make its chiefs to disclose interests in competition.

I have no idea what you mean here,specifically “make its chiefs to disclose interests in competition”.
I am lost and I am sorry.

If you are trying to say that having a non Catholic as my financial chief is in a position of advising his boss, I will assume for this discussion the Pope, there are numerous points to expound on.

First, the competition is the world of non Catholics. If I am the financial chief, to use your words, I serve at the pleasure of his holiness. I do as I am told! I do not act as I may otherwise desire or choose, because as a businessman, or Cardinal, or Monk, I will be replaced! I might try to, but then that is why we have other internal controls and not just reliance on the actions of one person. Indeed, business and organizations have changed today in the 21st centrury.

If my boss, the Pope, desires my input on a question regarding the “competition”, I will give it to him and support my position with the information I have to come to that position. Yet that is his choice to seek my input, just as it is to seek input from his “staff” and worldwide cardinals and bishops.

Therefore, I am lost with your response, but I sense English is not a first language. I trust this perspective helps.

May our Lord be with us!

[AdrianP]

Guys, you are the most powerful in the world since you since you have the Father as God. So let me pray for you.

Dear God please turn Catholic Church to the best way for salvation, be that all your wishes for all Churches to become true , and be it that Christian money will support the principles and everything you like most. Make all Churches do what you want and please turn all the people to the right faith and save all the Creation. Dear God please make the salvation process as painless and hurtless as possible for everybody.

[JharekCarnelian]

Originally Posted by AdrianP

Researcher Eustice Mullins writes that the Rothschilds took over all the financial operations of the worldwide Catholic Church in 1823.(40) Today the large banking and financial business of the Catholic Church is an extensive system interlocked with the Rothschilds and the rest of the International Banking system.

So I looked up Eustace Mullins up - here's a quote from him from one of his books,"The Biological Jew" (Faith and Service Books, Stauton, VA, 1968).
:-

The Jew has always functioned best as a panderer, a pornographer,
a master of prostitution, an enemy of the prevailing sexual
standards and prohibitions of the gentile community....

We must remember that there is no Jewish crime per se, since the
existence of the Jewish parasite on the host is a crime against
nature, because its existence imperils the health and life of the
host...

This religious ceremony of drinking the blood of an innocent
gentile child is basic to the Jew's entire concept of his
existence as a parasite, living off the blood of the host...

The Jews do not want anyone to know what Nazism is. Nazism is
simply this--a proposal that the German people rid themselves of
the parasitic Jews. The gentile host dared to protest against the
continued presence of the parasite, and attempted to throw it off.
It was an ineffectual reaction, because it was emotional and
ill-informed...


Adrian - do you really want to use someone like this as your source?

[ralphinal]

Business regularly do hire people from the competition. Athletic teams do to. Even if your loyalty as a person lies in one direction, it does not mean you won't do a job for money for someone else. And that does not make you a bad person.

Just show us how connection with Jewish bankers has hurt the Catholic Faith and we can discuss that. I assure you, many Jewish posters would be happy to say that if we had been "Judaicised" we have done a poor job of showing it. And I am not talking about the revisionist World War II stuff

[JharekCarnelian]

As has been pointed out someone in business will hire the most able person to perform a function if the business is run with any integrit - therefore if a banker is Catholic, Jewish, Hindu etc. is not of great relevance. Also, the idea of their been Christian money, Jewish money, Hindu money, Muslim money etc. is rather odd to me.

[AdrianP]

You're working hard in making this thread look like an anti Jewish. What can I say? It's not.

As they did, a very good job in judaising Catholic Church and if you may do several changes you can lose the church alltogether, you can become a OLD LAW Organization. How many people know that NEW MASS have Jewish prayers? It should also be noted that the Offertory prayer in the New Mass which begins Blessed are you, Lord, God of all Creation is taken from a Jewish Table Prayer. But again, several men cannot speak for a nation and doings are to be answered personally not collectively.

What is the big deal with VATICAN 2 changes? Well is a very big deal since it may be the movement toward this: when altars are replaced with tables without crucifixes and sacrifice is replaced with preparing a meal. Many prayers for transformation of bread and wine have removed altogether so going in that direction you may find out somewhere that instead of taking Holy Communion for eternal life you take a normal meal . So be careful. No more changes.

Looks like New Mass was helped by Protestant priests that are far away on that road. They don't call it sacrifice anymore but a symbol. God knows what it is.

As I said, no breaking the Church either fighting either come to FREE Orthodox Church.

[AdrianP]

I do think that will help Rotschild too moving from controlling Catholic Church money since I do think he is deceived by the bad one.

[YADA]

I am still awaiting for any links to the assertions of Adrian ... have any of you seen them?

What are the actual sources for your diatribe on the fanancial investments of the church [and who anages them] and houw has this person inlfuenced doctrinal developement [or any other function of the Church] ....

I see alot of ... Rothchild this ... that .... and if this is true, then .....

But I have not seen any source documents [other then vague references to 'visions', etc ....

Where is the newspaper article, magazine article, news report [CNN, CBS, NBC, FOX .. ] ....

Where are the financial disclosures? What are the investments that are being managed and what are they invested in .... ?

WHAT IS THE REAL ISSUE ..... anti-catholicism, anti-semitism,, antiX, antiY - list your sources PLEASE >>>>>>

[AdrianP]

Do you know to google? Try this: rothschild mormons
My sources for the common sense that a non Catholic should not control Catholics money? I gave an article in baptism showing he may be the creator of a cult opposing Catholic Church.

[JharekCarnelian]

Originally Posted by AdrianP

You're working hard in making this thread look like an anti Jewish. What can I say? It's not.

As they did, a very good job in judaising Catholic Church and if you may do several changes you can lose the church alltogether, you can become a OLD LAW Organization. How many people know that NEW MASS have Jewish prayers? It should also be noted that the Offertory prayer in the New Mass which begins Blessed are you, Lord, God of all Creation is taken from a Jewish Table Prayer. But again, several men cannot speak for a nation and doings are to be answered personally not collectively.

What is the big deal with VATICAN 2 changes? Well is a very big deal since it may be the movement toward this: when altars are replaced with tables without crucifixes and sacrifice is replaced with preparing a meal. Many prayers for transformation of bread and wine have removed altogether so going in that direction you may find out somewhere that instead of taking Holy Communion for eternal life you take a normal meal . So be careful. No more changes.

Looks like New Mass was helped by Protestant priests that are far away on that road. They don't call it sacrifice anymore but a symbol. God knows what it is.

As I said, no breaking the Church either fighting either come to FREE Orthodox Church.

How hard do I have to work at making what you are saying look anti-Jewish when you post nonsense like the above. Prosleytising on behalf of religions is not allowed her either btw.

[kimon]

I'm a new guy around here but, stuff like this reeks of a tin foil hat wearing, conspiracy theory and these things annoy me...

Is there any documented proof from an objective third party (e.g. peer reviewed journal article) that can be cited for this?

The Rothschilds could have done the banking but, that doesn't necessarily mean they influenced doctrine.

An analogy: Just because someone uses, say, Citibank's Private Banking services, doesn't mean that Citibank will dictate how you run your private household. Remember who's the customer

[YADA]

Originally Posted by AdrianP

Do you know to google? Try this: rothschild mormons
My sources for the common sense that a non Catholic should not control Catholics money? I gave an article in baptism showing he may be the creator of a cult opposing Catholic Church.

I'm sorry - but that is not how it works ...the ball is in your court to provide links to your assertions, expecially those of a slanderous nature .... like you post ...

You just can't post wild accusations with vague references and then say it is up to us to prove you wrong ...

You know what that tells me? You are a "hit & run" artist ..... you bottom feed on scum, believe every word and then spread the 'rumor' and enuendo ..... where I come from we call that bearing false witness ....

HINT: go back and read the forum rules on posting ..... and then before posting again do some research on how to determine if a source is credable or not ....

[Hesychios]

I am not acquainted with the whole Rothschild argument. But I am pretty sure that it is a piece of overblown speculation.

The normal relationship is that of the customer to that of the service. The jeweler and goldsmith who make the vessels and vestments are service people, they want the income from the service, they take orders.

A Muslim family holds the keys to the church of the Resurrection (Holy Sepulchre).

The construction and design firms that erect houses of worship likewise. I once saw a beautiful little Catholic parish church (established by German immigrants over 100 years ago) complete with hand carved reredo and altar rail near Aurora Illinois, it was stunning in it's simple beauty. The artisan was a German Lutheran. He wasn't afraid to take Catholic money and they were not disturbed that a Lutheran set his hands to work on the holy altar.

If the bankers are handling the concerns money, they want to keep that business and they take instructions. If they are lending money, they do have some influence on their customer. We have seen that clearly with my favorite subject, the Medici family.

Two concerns:

• There was a Vatican banking scandal of living memory. Does anyone here know enough to explain that episode impartially and free of emotional hype?
  
• Was there a second gunman on the Grassy Knoll?

[CHESTERTONRULES]

Originally Posted by AdrianP

What if Catholic money are used to finance groups that come and attack Catholic Church?

What if Catholics form a web site allowing open debate, and then hair brained anti- Catholic conspiracy nuts post irrelevant and entertaining theories about Catholic failings.

Wouldn't that be something!