Anglican Use Liturgy in the San Francisco Area?

[5Loaves]

Is there any parish which sometimes has the Anglican Use Liturgy in the San Francisco Area?

[Joe Kelley]

I don't think there is. Anglican Use Society is probably the best place to check.

[BernadetteM]

There are no Anglican Use parishes in California. Hopefully there will be some day. I would love to have one close to where I live, but there are very few TAC parishes around in Southern California. Whether they will come to Rome or not I am not sure.

The ones I know about are far from me and so far I haven't been able to get any answers from the Rector of the parish we left when the Pastoral Provision was established. His only comment was "we will wait and see". I got the feeling that if they don't like the terms they will just stay a Continuing Anglican parish.

Yours in the Hearts of Jesus and Mary

Bernadette

[crm114]

Well, there are two,or three, big differences between entering full communion and remaining a Continuer:

1. Communion with Rome-- available only to those who return

2. Valid sacraments -- available only to those who return

3. Adherence to the Faith as set out in the CCC -- required for those who return; optional for Continuers

Now that the Holy Father has provided for the retention of Anglican spiritual and liturgical traditions by those who return, it is hard to understand why catholic-minded Continuers would decline to return -- unless they do not accept the doctrine of the Faith.

[BernadetteM]

Originally Posted by crm114

Well, there are two,or three, big differences between entering full communion and remaining a Continuer:

1. Communion with Rome-- available only to those who return

2. Valid sacraments -- available only to those who return

3. Adherence to the Faith as set out in the CCC -- required for those who return; optional for Continuers

Now that the Holy Father has provided for the retention of Anglican spiritual and liturgical traditions by those who return, it is hard to understand why catholic-minded Continuers would decline to return -- unless they do not accept the doctrine of the Faith.

To put it quite simply, many of them want their cake and eat it too. They want to be acknowledged as true Catholics, but don't want anyone to tell them what to do and what to believe. Many of them don't believe the papacy, nor other doctrines, but the big one is really the authority issue. I see much pride in the attitudes, as Catholics we must submit and accept what the Church teaches. Since I was an Anglo Catholic before and have read many of their posts it is very apparent what they feel about the Church.

The Holy Father has been very generous and they still would rather stay between 69-100 different communities. They can't even agree to be one with one another.

It is very sad. I think all we can do is pray for them.

Yours in the Hearts of Jesus and Mary

Bernadette

[Joe Kelley]

Originally Posted by BernadetteM

To put it quite simply, many of them want their cake and eat it too. They want to be acknowledged as true Catholics, but don't want anyone to tell them what to do and what to believe. Many of them don't believe the papacy, nor other doctrines, but the big one is really the authority issue. I see much pride in the attitudes, as Catholics we must submit and accept what the Church teaches. . . .

You mean that they want to be Kennedy-Kerry Catholics.

[BernadetteM]

Originally Posted by Joe Kelley

You mean that they want to be Kennedy-Kerry Catholics.

Yes more or less that is their thinking. Not all Anglicans who are Anglo Catholic and want to belong fully to the Catholic Church do accept all the teachings.

But Anglicans/Episcopalians have a tendency to want it their way. They seem to be afraid of authority. As a Catholic I haven't noticed any priests or Bishops making sure that I am following all the Church teachings. We must take that responsibility upon ourselves. I really don't understand why they fear the Church so much.

My one daughter is just now getting back into the Church and is so enthused with it all, that I must remind her to take it slowly and be sure to go to a Bible study, not to just read the Bible only on her own. It is good to read it, but when your new you need to read the Bible through the eyes of the Church.

If you have a true conversion within the Church I think you can see how what She teaches really makes sense. We have such moral decay today and if people would only follow the teachings there would not be all the divorces, abortions etc. Actually I should have said understand what and why the Church teaches so strongly on some issues.

Most Anglicans are really of a protestant mindset. Yes some love the liturgy and traditions and they are beautiful, but it is the faith that is the very being of ones soul.

God Bless

Bernadette

[Usbek de Perse]

Originally Posted by BernadetteM

There are no Anglican Use parishes in California. Hopefully there will be some day. I would love to have one close to where I live, but there are very few TAC parishes around in Southern California. Whether they will come to Rome or not I am not sure.

The ones I know about are far from me and so far I haven't been able to get any answers from the Rector of the parish we left when the Pastoral Provision was established. His only comment was "we will wait and see". I got the feeling that if they don't like the terms they will just stay a Continuing Anglican parish.

Yours in the Hearts of Jesus and Mary

Bernadette

I have addressed this somewhere else (I forgot where). I do not know of one parish in the Diocese of California (SF, Marin, San Mateo, Parts of Santa Clara, Alameda, Contra Costa Counties) that would likely come over. There are a few "continuing Anglican" churches but I think they want to remain Anglican. The most Anglo-Catholic parish in the diocese is Advent in San Francisco, but that church has significant gay membership and a lot of ex-Catholics, so it doesn't look like a prospect.

I suspect that for an Anglican Use parish to arise, a critical mass of laity would have to assemble, probably in San Francisco. They might get a former Anglican, now Catholic priest to shepherd their congregation. Still, it is a tall order. It is entirely possible that there will be a few ordinariate churches in the country without enough critical mass to employ a full-time ordinary. My bet is that there will be the existing parishes in Texas and Pennsylvania, as well as one each in New York City, Boston, Philadelphia, Los Angeles, and perhaps San Francisco. Perhaps one or two in the Mid-West. I also think that the ordinary might be a retired Episcopal Bishop who has some money to live on, or a priest who can get a job teaching in a Catholic college to support himself.

But I could be very wrong about this. Should one appear in San Francisco region, I promise to visit more than once.

[BernadetteM]

Originally Posted by Usbek de Perse

I have addressed this somewhere else (I forgot where). I do not know of one parish in the Diocese of California (SF, Marin, San Mateo, Parts of Santa Clara, Alameda, Contra Costa Counties) that would likely come over. There are a few "continuing Anglican" churches but I think they want to remain Anglican. The most Anglo-Catholic parish in the diocese is Advent in San Francisco, but that church has significant gay membership and a lot of ex-Catholics, so it doesn't look like a prospect.

I suspect that for an Anglican Use parish to arise, a critical mass of laity would have to assemble, probably in San Francisco. They might get a former Anglican, now Catholic priest to shepherd their congregation. Still, it is a tall order. It is entirely possible that there will be a few ordinariate churches in the country without enough critical mass to employ a full-time ordinary. My bet is that there will be the existing parishes in Texas and Pennsylvania, as well as one each in New York City, Boston, Philadelphia, Los Angeles, and perhaps San Francisco. Perhaps one or two in the Mid-West. I also think that the ordinary might be a retired Episcopal Bishop who has some money to live on, or a priest who can get a job teaching in a Catholic college to support himself.

But I could be very wrong about this. Should one appear in San Francisco region, I promise to visit more than once.

There is a blog called Groups of Anglicans < The Anglo Catholic, people who are interested in establishing an Anglican Use parish comment on this blog. In fact a priest who I assume is part of the Continuing Anglican communion has given out his phone number and ask that I contact him after the holidays.

I hope others will find this blog as it can be very useful. It takes only a few laypeople to request a start up mission. There are many former Anglican priests who are part of the Pastoral Provision and it appears several who are interested from the Anglican communities.

I am not giving up hope that as soon as an Ordinariate is announced for our area that a parish will be erected. I still have many questions about myself and family as we were received Anglican Use many years ago, although no parish was here in So. California.

God Bless

Bernadette