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Apr 19, '05, 11:03 pm
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Who was the first choice black smoke candidate?
Who do you think was the first choice of the Cardinals who blew black smoke? I was a little suprized to find that Cardinal Ratzinger was not the first choice of the Cardinals.
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Apr 19, '05, 11:47 pm
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Re: Who was the first choice black smoke candidate?
I think that his election in only 4 ballots quite clearly illustrates that he was the first choice of cardinals. It is just that there were obviously other names in the mix early on and some of the support for these candidates had to drop off for Cardinal Ratzinger to finally get the necessary 2/3 support. Such is just the nature of how these sort of elections proceed. It would have been very unusual and surprizing for any candidate to be elected more quickly than he was, practically speaking.
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Apr 22, '05, 12:43 pm
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Re: Who was the first choice black smoke candidate?
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Originally Posted by Steven Merten
Who do you think was the first choice of the Cardinals who blew black smoke? I was a little suprized to find that Cardinal Ratzinger was not the first choice of the Cardinals.
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Yesterday an italian journalist (a vaticanist) said in a tv show that he knows for sure that Cardinal Carlo Maria Martini "won" the first two ballots. He decided to withdraw his candidacy because of his health problems.
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Apr 23, '05, 11:49 am
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Re: Who was the first choice black smoke candidate?
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Originally Posted by Alessandra
Yesterday an italian journalist (a vaticanist) said in a tv show that he knows for sure that Cardinal Carlo Maria Martini "won" the first two ballots. He decided to withdraw his candidacy because of his health problems.
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No one "won" the first three ballots. There may have been another candidate who "lead" in the ballots. But since we know there was black smoke, we know no one "won" until the fourth ballot when Cardinal Ratzinger "won" or rather was selected with a quorum (2/3) of the vote or 77 of the 115 votes cast.
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Apr 23, '05, 12:29 pm
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Re: Who was the first choice black smoke candidate?
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Yesterday an italian journalist (a vaticanist) said in a tv show that he knows for sure that Cardinal Carlo Maria Martini "won" the first two ballots. He decided to withdraw his candidacy because of his health problems.
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Rather unlikely and most likely nothing more than wishful thinking or idle speculation. I also don't know that a cardinal can technically "withdraw", though I suppose that one could politely make known any concerns to the others during meals or whatever.
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Apr 23, '05, 12:37 pm
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Re: Who was the first choice black smoke candidate?
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Originally Posted by Alessandra
Yesterday an italian journalist (a vaticanist) said in a tv show that he knows for sure that Cardinal Carlo Maria Martini "won" the first two ballots. He decided to withdraw his candidacy because of his health problems.
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And how does this guy know? Isn't it the case that what goes on in the conclave stays in the conclave?
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Apr 23, '05, 8:20 pm
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Re: Who was the first choice black smoke candidate?
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Yesterday an italian journalist (a vaticanist) said in a tv show that he knows for sure that Cardinal Carlo Maria Martini "won" the first two ballots. He decided to withdraw his candidacy because of his health problems.
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Had Cardinal Martini been elected it would have fit with the prophecy of St Malachy, for the martini is truly "the glory of the olive." 
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Apr 24, '05, 1:25 pm
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Re: Who was the first choice black smoke candidate?
According to Matt Drudge, Time Magazine is coming out with a whole behind the scenes report this week (hey, who was talking that wasn't supposed to talk  , brother Cardinals?) about Cardinal Martini's role.
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