Catholic FAQ


Latest Threads
newest posts



Go Back   Catholic Answers Forums > Archive > Archive > Anglicanorum Coetibus: 2009
 

Welcome to Catholic Answers Forums, the largest Catholic Community on the Web.

Here you can join over 400,000 members from around the world discussing all things Catholic. Membership is open to all, Catholic and non-Catholic alike, who seek the Truth with Charity.

To gain full access, you must register for a FREE account. Registered members are able to:
  • Submit questions about the faith to experts from Catholic Answers
  • Participate in all forum discussions
  • Communicate privately with Catholics from around the world
  • Plus join a prayer group, read with the Book Club, and much more.
Registration is fast, simple and absolutely free. So join our community today!

Have a question about registration or your account log-in? Just contact our Support Hotline.

 
 
Thread Tools Search Thread Display
  #16  
Old Jan 5, '10, 9:04 am
Bluegoat Bluegoat is offline
Banned
 
Join Date: March 5, 2009
Posts: 5,016
Religion: classical Anglican
Default Re: Papal Supremacy and Papal Infallibility

Quote:
Originally Posted by JReducation View Post

That being said, the Orthodox and the Catholics (Eastern and Roman) are moving toward a reconciliation. When this happens, the pope will be the head of the entire Church: Roman, Eastern and Orthodox.

Fraternally,

Br. JR, OSF
Goodness, why do you think that???!!! Not that it wouldn't be nice, but I can't see any evidence at all that such a thing is likely in the foreseeable future.
  #17  
Old Jan 5, '10, 9:32 am
crm114 crm114 is offline
Junior Member
 
Join Date: March 23, 2008
Posts: 142
Religion: RC
Default Re: Papal Supremacy and Papal Infallibility

Quote:
Originally Posted by manualman View Post
Methodist ... the catholic idea of apostolic tradition and continuity .. :
Well the Methodists did come out of the Church of England.

It will be interesting if some Catholic-minded Methodists come forward and petition for entry into the personal ordinariate based upon their being from the Anglican tradition...
  #18  
Old Jan 5, '10, 10:54 am
HankHardisty's Avatar
HankHardisty HankHardisty is offline
New Member
 
Join Date: August 26, 2009
Posts: 7
Religion: Catholic
Default Re: Papal Supremacy and Papal Infallibility

Quote:
Originally Posted by JReducation View Post
The part that I bolded is inaccurate. Eastern Catholics have patriarchs. That is true. But they do not look to the patriarch as the final authority on matters of faith and morals. They look to the pope. The Eastern Catholics are not Roman Catholics, but they are part of the Catholic Church and the pope is the head of the entire Catholic Church. Therefore, the Eastern Catholics submit to the authority of the Successor of Peter as the only legitimate infallible head of the Church.

You may be thinking about the Eastern Orthodox. They are led by patriarchs. They do not look to their patriarchs as the source of infallible teachings either. They look to the Ecumenical Councils for that. This is consistent with Catholicism in that we too believe that Ecumenical Councils have the power to teach infallibly when all of the bishops are united as one voice. The difference between the Orthodox and the Catholics is that the Catholics include the pope in the Ecumenical Council, whereas the Orthodox do not.

That being said, the Orthodox and the Catholics (Eastern and Roman) are moving toward a reconciliation. When this happens, the pope will be the head of the entire Church: Roman, Eastern and Orthodox.

Fraternally,

Br. JR, OSF
Yes, you are correct Br. JR, I was thinking about the Eastern Orthodox and you are right they do look to the 7 Ecumenical Councils for their source of faith and morals. However, I do not see the move towards reconciliation, if by that you mean submission to the Pope. It is great that they are meeting with one another and talking rather than shooting anathemas, at each other.

The Eastern Orthodox are not very united with each other and I think that is their focus especially in the United States, where there are a multitude of jurisdictions, and they see the need to unite. Regarding Roman Catholicism, I see two points upon which the EOs say there is no compromise:

1) the Filioque
2) the authority of the Pope

With the authority of the Pope, dogmas like Transubstantiation and the Immaculate Conception are items to which they deny adherence, despite the fact that they teach the same doctrine.

I may have missed something, so I would be grateful for any information that you may send my way showing the EOs moving towards Rome.

Hank
  #19  
Old Jan 5, '10, 11:10 am
HankHardisty's Avatar
HankHardisty HankHardisty is offline
New Member
 
Join Date: August 26, 2009
Posts: 7
Religion: Catholic
Default Re: Papal Supremacy and Papal Infallibility

Quote:
Originally Posted by crm114 View Post
Well the Methodists did come out of the Church of England.

It will be interesting if some Catholic-minded Methodists come forward and petition for entry into the personal ordinariate based upon their being from the Anglican tradition...
So true, crm114, John Wesley was an Anglican Priest, and was not seeking to start his own church. In 1749, he wrote a letter to a Catholic outlining all that is held in agreement between the two. The similarities in the essential doctrines is what makes it easier for me to move toward Rome. I did have to overcome the learned bias against the Roman Catholic Church, promoted by nearly every Protestant preacher. I did this by examining the Eastern Orthodox, for which there is no built-in bias.

I have not heard of any large group of Methodists converting to Catholicism, just individuals. There is too much hard-line Protestantism in the Methodist Church for there to be a general reconciliation. To the dismay of many Methodists, Calvinism and Fundamentalism has crept in through various TV preachers that members watch.

Methodist catechesis practically does not exist and what did exist has become so horrible. For numbers sake, almost anyone is allowed membership regardless of what they believe or understand.

The sad thing is that Methodists were not always like this.
  #20  
Old Jan 5, '10, 11:12 am
crm114 crm114 is offline
Junior Member
 
Join Date: March 23, 2008
Posts: 142
Religion: RC
Default Re: Papal Supremacy and Papal Infallibility

<<two points upon which the EOs say there is no compromise:
1) the Filioque
2) the authority of the Pope>>

Well then we are in good shape because

1) The Pope has recited the creed without the Filioque while visiting Eastern churches. It was added by the West, and It is optional.

2) In Ut Unum Sint JP2 indicated his willingness to discuss new ways to exercise his primacy. He did not use ther word supremacy. Benedict will be similarly generous, or more so.
 

Go Back   Catholic Answers Forums > Archive > Archive > Anglicanorum Coetibus: 2009

Bookmarks

Thread Tools Search Thread
Search Thread:

Advanced Search
Display

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Forum Jump



Prayer Intentions

Most Active Groups
8240Meet and talk,talk talk
Last by: GLam8833
4998CAF Prayer Warriors Support Group
Last by: James_OPL
4342Devotion to the Sorrowful Mother
Last by: James_OPL
4029OCD/Scrupulosity Group
Last by: B79
3830SOLITUDE
Last by: beth40n2
3554Let's empty Purgatory
Last by: James_OPL
3219Poems and Reflections
Last by: PathWalker
3203Catholic Vegetarians & Vegans
Last by: memphian
3100Petitions Before the Blessed Sacrament
Last by: Amiciel
3043For seniors and shut- ins
Last by: Thomas Choe



All times are GMT -7. The time now is 10:27 am.

Home RSS Feeds - Home - Archive - Top

Copyright © 2004-2013, Catholic Answers.