Connecticut Now has Legal Homosexual Unions

[rastell]

In what has been called same-sex marriage with a different name, Connectcut's Governor has signed into law same-sex civil unions.

See this news story:
http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/htm...lunions21.html

[demolitionman65]

Maybe I'm off here, but if a state wishes to give civil unions (which San Francisco already does in a de facto fashion) so that the homosexual lobby can access health benefits and such, I honestly do not care.

The state has already given a functional blessing to homosexual unions by their absurd "hate crimes" legislations as well as their Frisco-style benefits packages.

Render unto Caesar. I do not care what the state thinks, EXCEPT that the reality of MARRIAGE is kept between a man and a woman (which Connecticut is maintaining).

I am more than open to discussing this. If one feels my position is morally/doctrinally assailable, have at me.

[Thekla]

Catholic marriage is a sacrament in the Church so even civil marriage seems irrelevant to me.

[Catholicvegan]

Absurd "hate crimes" legislation? Do you support discrimination?

[CatQuilt]

Originally Posted by demolitionman65

Maybe I'm off here, but if a state wishes to give civil unions (which San Francisco already does in a de facto fashion) so that the homosexual lobby can access health benefits and such, I honestly do not care.

The state has already given a functional blessing to homosexual unions by their absurd "hate crimes" legislations as well as their Frisco-style benefits packages.

Render unto Caesar. I do not care what the state thinks, EXCEPT that the reality of MARRIAGE is kept between a man and a woman (which Connecticut is maintaining).

I am more than open to discussing this. If one feels my position is morally/doctrinally assailable, have at me.

It may be comforting to think that homosexuals will settle for civil unions but they will not. They have said as much. They're keeping their "eye on the prize"...marriage. What they're doing right now is incrementalism...winning small victories till they reach their goal.

[Catholicvegan]

Actually, the bill had an ammendment in it defining marriage as for one man and one woman. What to you mean, then, about homosexuals trying to "reach their goal"?

[rastell]

Originally Posted by Catholicvegan

Actually, the bill had an ammendment in it defining marriage as for one man and one woman.

Here's the statement of the Connecticut Catholic Conference (Representing all of the dioceses in Connecticut: the Archdiocese of Hartford, Diocese of Bridgeport, Diocese of Norwich and Ukrainian Catholic Diocese of Stamford)
I would say they are probably in a better position to judge this issue in Connecticut than any of us on this forum.

"A VOTE FOR CIVIL UNIONS IS A VOTE FOR SAME-SEX MARRIAGE

"Recent news reports have some legislators offering their support and even projecting the passage of legislation creating civil unions in Connecticut. Such action would be ill advised for any legislator who truly wants to defend traditional marriage. Civil union legislation, such as in Vermont, is basically same-sex marriage legislation by another name. This is one reason a vote for civil union legislation is a vote for same-sex marriage.
If legislators desire to address concerns that confront unmarried persons, such as inheritance issues, then it would be better to do this with specific pieces of proposed legislation. This will allow public hearings to address specific issues, so the actual scope of the problem could be examined. Some of these problems may actually affect more groups then just same-sex partners."

http://www.connecticut.nasccd.org/bi...204civilunions

[rastell]

Originally Posted by Thekla

Catholic marriage is a sacrament in the Church so even civil marriage seems irrelevant to me.

It's not irrelevant to children who grow up in a home where they only view gay sex. Should we only be concerned for ourselves and forget others outside our little isolated Catholic community.

[mikev]

Originally Posted by Catholicvegan

Absurd "hate crimes" legislation? Do you support discrimination?

Let me answer, No; at least not the way you're considering discrimination. I do discriminate in some ways, perhaps like you do (e.g. in the food I eat). But I don't support "hate crimes" legislation.

It doesn't matter if someone commits a crime out of "hate" or is just a plain criminal. A murder victim is just as dead whether killed for money or hate. The crime is murder, period.

[Thekla]

I don't undertand your point.

[rastell]

Originally Posted by Thekla

I don't undertand your point.

You titled your post "I don't care either."

I am trying to point out why it is important for Catholics/Christians to care.

[rastell]

Lawyers Group Warns Civil Unions is Capitulation, not Compromise on Gay "Marriage"
"civil unions" approach is a Trojan Horse designed to infiltrate and conquer marriage


HARTFORD, Conn., April 25, 2005, (LifeSiteNews.com) Connecticut's decision to create civil unions for same-sex couples has been called a "naïve move that further erodes marriage" by attorneys associated with the Alliance Defense Fund (ADF), an organization active in numerous cases involving marriage, domestic partnerships and civil unions in the United States.

Connecticut Gov. M. Jodi Rell signed a bill which grants same-sex couples all the same benefits of married couples - only without a marriage license - because it contains an amendment stating that marriage under state law would be limited to one man and one woman.

Glen Lavy, senior vice president of ADF's Marriage Litigation Center, in his comments regarding the passing of the legislation stated: "The governor believes that she can protect marriage by including a statement that says marriage is only between one man and one woman in legislation that creates civil unions for same-sex couples. This is clearly naive, as proven by media reports of homosexual activist groups that are already stating that they intend to continue to push for full-fledged marriage rights."

Furthermore, the "amendment does little to protect marriage. Civil unions themselves are an erosion of marriage … No one can legitimately conclude that these civil unions are anything but marriage with a different name. No matter what anyone calls it, marriage is, and always will be, a union between a man and a woman."

ADF is America's largest legal alliance defending religious liberty through strategy, training, funding, and litigation. It argues that the "civil unions" approach is a Trojan Horse designed to infiltrate and conquer marriage.

Source of above: LifeSiteNews.com

[legeorge]

Well, Connecticut may have bought the Trojan horse, but I heard on Catholic Radio this morning that Texas rejected it! So, at least one victory?

[Trelow]

Originally Posted by Catholicvegan

Absurd "hate crimes" legislation? Do you support discrimination?

Hate crime legislation is discrimination.