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Old Jul 9, '10, 12:24 pm
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How about General Studies? Or have they been abandoned in this age of excessive specialisation? I used to teach it (them!)...
We don't have anything like that in the syllabus here.
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Science is a method of Observe -> Hypothesize -> Experiment -> Repeat.

I don't see how that corrolates in any way with Theology. I don't have a problem with intelligent design being taught in a Theology class, but there is no debate in academic circles over whether it should be taught in Biology class.
I'm sorry, but there is debate. As a scientist of 30 years I find no problem between religion and science. I fully believe in evolution, God driven. There are many theories that have never been observed. Does that mean they are not investigating? There are many miracle cures, Eucharistic miracles, people with apparitions of Mary and Jesus, and other events documented. The miracle of the sun at Fatima is one. That was even documented by Pravda (or was it Tass?) during the revolution in Russia.

I will say this, and not sarcastically, If you are wrong you will pay a price in the after life. If I am wrong, I will never know. I'll pray for you.
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Old Jul 9, '10, 12:38 pm
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There are many theories that have never been observed.
If you read a few of my other posts, you'll have noticed in what kind of regard I hold an invalid hypothesis dressed up as a theory.

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Sorry, ya just can't tell me what to do.
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Sorry, ya just can't tell me what to do.
A lifetime of Atheism and Socialism alongside a libertine lifestyle, compounded with the purchase of an Italian motor car, have ensured my place in hell.

Frankly, your lord and myself have nothing in common. We have lived lives of a totally different character from each other.
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A lifetime of Atheism and Socialism alongside a libertine lifestyle, compounded with the purchase of an Italian motor car, have ensured my place in hell. Frankly, your lord and myself have nothing in common. We have lived lives of a totally different character from each other.

Now ya see, your lumping socialism and a libertine lifestyle are not coherent. As a socialist, you should be taking much of the money you have and helping those in need.

From those according to their resources to those according to their needs

Real socialism is all about taking care of your neighbor. The libertine lifestyle? Have you ever read St Augustine?

People change. It was interesting though. I thought you would have taken a real shot at me for the

"If your wrong, if I'm wrong comment".

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We don't have anything like that in the syllabus here.
I'm not surprised in view of the declining standards in education. Those who specialise too much know more and more about less and less - and are unable to relate their subject to anything else!
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I don't agree. You select subjects that are going to be useful to you in your career and study them. What's the point in teaching epistimology to someone who wants to learn to be a motor car mechanic? What's the point in teaching Geology to someone who wants to learn to play a piano? What's the point in teaching philosophy or theology to someone who wants to learn science?
It's a rounded or a liberal education and it's a very precious thing (quite possibly the most precious thing that I have been given in this life other than my family and close friends). What you describe is not education but vocational training, which is fine itself, but it is not education. What we should encourage our kids to do is to select subjects that they are delighted and enthralled by and, hopefully, those will define their careers, and then we should be relentless in exposing them to subjects way beyond some dismal utilitarian idea of what is 'useful'. In this world of ever more specialised and vocational training, we are beginning to lose the idea of how a broad education can be fundamental to a good life.

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It's a rounded or a liberal education and it's a very precious thing (quite possibly the most precious thing that I have been given in this life other than my family and close friends). What you describe is not education but vocational training, which is fine itself, but it is not education. What we should encourage our kids to do is to select subjects that they are delighted and enthralled by and, hopefully, those will define their careers, and then we should be relentless in exposing them to subjects way beyond some dismal utilitarian idea of what is 'useful'. In this world of ever more specialised and vocational training, we are beginning to lose the idea of how a broad education can be fundamental to a good life.

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I agree from my own experience.
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I'm not surprised in view of the declining standards in education. Those who specialise too much know more and more about less and less - and are unable to relate their subject to anything else!
We do general education in Elementary school here. When you start to think about careers, you have to specialize. I think that stands to reason.
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Now ya see, your lumping socialism and a libertine lifestyle are not coherent. As a socialist, you should be taking much of the money you have and helping those in need.

From those according to their resources to those according to their needs

Real socialism is all about taking care of your neighbor. The libertine lifestyle? Have you ever read St Augustine?
I'm only repeating what I was told by someone who was trying to convert me, that a lifetime of atheism and communism compounded by libertine ways and the purchase of an Italian motor car have rendered me doomed.

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I think I've already mentioned on this forum what I think of Blaise Pascal's wager.

If I'm wrong and I'm judged when I die, who do you think God will like more, the vulgar fraud who made fawning professions with zero sincerity in a cheap attempt to trick him or the man who just sincerely couldn't believe?

Which one of us is more honourable? Which one of us is more honest? Which one of us has more humility? Which one of us is more stylish, provokative and sexy?
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I'm only repeating what I was told by someone who was trying to convert me, that a lifetime of atheism and communism compounded by libertine ways and the purchase of an Italian motor car have rendered me doomed.



I think I've already mentioned on this forum what I think of Blaise Pascal's wager.

If I'm wrong and I'm judged when I die, who do you think God will like more, the vulgar fraud who made fawning professions with zero sincerity in a cheap attempt to trick him or the man who just sincerely couldn't believe?

Which one of us is more honourable? Which one of us is more honest? Which one of us has more humility? Which one of us is more stylish, provokative and sexy?
Which one worshiped the Creator?
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Which one worshiped the Creator?
Neither of us. One pretended to, one didn't.

I assume you would believe that our thoughts are known to God? I wouldn't be surprised, if I'm wrong, that he has a special treat in store for Blaise Pascal's atheists.
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I'm only repeating what I was told by someone who was trying to convert me, that a lifetime of atheism and communism compounded by libertine ways and the purchase of an Italian motor car have rendered me doomed.



I think I've already mentioned on this forum what I think of Blaise Pascal's wager.

If I'm wrong and I'm judged when I die, who do you think God will like more, the vulgar fraud who made fawning professions with zero sincerity in a cheap attempt to trick him or the man who just sincerely couldn't believe?

Which one of us is more honourable? Which one of us is more honest? Which one of us has more humility? Which one of us is more stylish, provokative and sexy?
Which one did not give up seeking truth?
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Which one did not give up seeking truth?
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