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Old Aug 16, '11, 10:13 am
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Default Am I the only one who sees the trinity in these very early hymns?

Ode 7
As is the course of anger over wickedness, so is the course of joy over the Beloved; and brings in of its fruits unhindered.
My joy is the Lord and my course is towards Him, this path of mine is beautiful.
For there is a Helper for me, the Lord. He has generously shown Himself to me in His simplicity, because His kindness has diminished His dreadfulness.
He became like me, that I might receive Him. In form He was considered like me, that I might put Him on.
And I trembled not when I saw Him, because He was gracious to me.
Like my nature He became, that I might understand Him. And like my form, that I might not turn away from Him.
The Father of knowledge is the Word of knowledge.
He who created wisdom is wiser than His works.
And He who created me when yet I was not knew what I would do when I came into being.
On account of this He was gracious to me in His abundant grace, and allowed me to ask from Him and to benefit from His sacrifice.
For He it is who is incorrupt, the perfection of the worlds and their Father.
He has allowed Him to appear to them that are His own; in order that they may recognize Him that made them, and not suppose that they came of themselves.
For towards knowledge He has set His way, he has widened it and lengthened it and brought it to complete perfection.
And has set over it the traces of His light, and it proceeded from the beginning until the end.
For by Him He was served, and He was pleased by the Son.
And because of his salvation He will possess everything. And the Most High will be known by His holy ones:
To announce to those who have songs of the coming of the Lord, that they may go forth to meet Him and may sing to Him, with joy and with the harp of many tones.
The Seers shall go before Him, and they shall be seen before Him.
And they shall praise the Lord in His love, because He is near and does see.
And hatred shall be removed from the earth, and with jealousy it shall be drowned.
For ignorance was destroyed upon it, because the knowledge of the Lord arrived upon it.
Let the singers sing the grace of the Lord Most High, and let them bring their songs.
And let their heart be like the day, and their gentle voices like the majestic beauty of the Lord.
And let there not be anyone who breathes that is without knowledge or voice.
For He gave a mouth to His creation: to open the voice of the mouth towards Him, and to praise Him.
Confess His power and declare His grace.


Ode 9
Open your ears, and I shall speak to you.
Give me yourself, so that I may also give you myself.
The word of the Lord and His desires, the holy thought which He has thought concerning His Messiah.
For in the will of the Lord is your life, and His purpose is eternal life, and your perfection is incorruptible.
Be enriched in God the Father; and receive the purpose of the Most High. Be strong and redeemed by His grace.
For I announce peace to you, His holy ones, so that none of those who hear shall fall in the war.
And also that those who have known Him may not perish, and so that those who received Him may not be ashamed.
An everlasting crown is Truth; blessed are they who set it on their head.
It is a precious stone, for the wars were on account of the crown.
But Righteousness has taken it, and has given it to you.
Put on the crown in the true covenant of the Lord, and all those who have conquered will be inscribed in His book.
For their book is the reward of victory which is for you, and she sees you before her and wills that you shall be saved.
Hallelujah.

Ode 11
My heart was pruned and its flower appeared, then grace sprang up in it, and my heart produced fruits for the Lord.
For the Most High circumcised me by His Holy Spirit, then He uncovered my inward being towards Him, and filled me with His love.
And His circumcising became my salvation, and I ran in the Way, in His peace, in the way of truth.
From the beginning until the end I received His knowledge.
And I was established upon the rock of truth, where He had set me.
And speaking waters touched my lips from the fountain of the Lord generously.
And so I drank and became intoxicated, from the living water that does not die.
And my intoxication did not cause ignorance, but I abandoned vanity,
And turned toward the Most High, my God, and was enriched by His favors.
And I rejected the folly cast upon the earth, and stripped it off and cast it from me.
And the Lord renewed me with His garment, and possessed me by His light.
And from above He gave me immortal rest, and I became like the land that blossoms and rejoices in its fruits.
And the Lord is like the sun upon the face of the land.
My eyes were enlightened, and my face received the dew;
And my breath was refreshed by the pleasant fragrance of the Lord.
And He took me to His Paradise, wherein is the wealth of the Lord's pleasure.
I beheld blooming and fruit-bearing trees,
And self-grown was their crown.
Their branches were sprouting and their fruits were shining.
From an immortal land were their roots.
And a river of gladness was irrigating them,
And round about them in the land of eternal life.
Then I worshipped the Lord because of His magnificence.
And I said, Blessed, O Lord, are they who are planted in Your land, and who have a place in Your Paradise;
And who grow in the growth of Your trees, and have passed from darkness into light.
Behold, all Your laborers are fair, they who work good works, and turn from wickedness to your pleasantness.
For the pungent odor of the trees is changed in Your land,
And everything becomes a remnant of Yourself. Blessed are the workers of Your waters, and eternal memorials of Your faithful servants.
Indeed, there is much room in Your Paradise. And there is nothing in it which is barren, but everything is filled with fruit.
Glory be to You, O God, the delight of Paradise for ever.
Hallelujah.
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Ode 13
Behold, the Lord is our mirror. Open your eyes and see them in Him.
And learn the manner of your face, then declare praises to His Spirit.
And wipe the paint from your face, and love His holiness and put it on.
Then you will be unblemished at all times with Him.
Hallelujah.

Ode 19
A cup of milk was offered to me, and I drank it in the sweetness of the Lord's kindness.
The Son is the cup, and the Father is He who was milked; and the Holy Spirit is She who milked Him;
Because His breasts were full, and it was undesirable that His milk should be ineffectually released.
The Holy Spirit opened Her bosom, and mixed the milk of the two breasts of the Father.
Then She gave the mixture to the generation without their knowing, and those who have received it are in the perfection of the right hand.
The womb of the Virgin took it, and she received conception and gave birth.
So the Virgin became a mother with great mercies.
And she labored and bore the Son but without pain, because it did not occur without purpose.
And she did not require a midwife, because He caused her to give life.
She brought forth like a strong man with desire, and she bore according to the manifestation, and she acquired according to the Great Power.
And she loved with redemption, and guarded with kindness, and declared with grandeur.
Hallelujah.

Ode 23
Joy is for the holy ones. And who shall put it on but they alone?
Grace is for the elect ones. And who shall receive it but they who trusted in it from the beginning?
Love is for the elect ones. And who shall put it on but they who possessed it from the beginning?
Walk in the knowledge of the Lord, and you will know the grace of the Lord generously; both for His exultation and for the perfection of His knowledge.
And His thought was like a letter, and His will descended from on high.
And it was sent like an arrow which from a bow has been forcibly shot.
And many hands rushed to the letter, in order to catch it, then take and read it.
But it escaped from their fingers; and they were afraid of it and of the seal which was upon it.
Because they were not allowed to loosen its seal; for the power which was over the seal was greater than they.
But those who saw the letter went after it; that they might learn where it would land, and who should read it, and who should hear it.
But a wheel received it, and it came over it.
And a sign was with it, of the kingdom and of providence.
And everything which was disturbing the wheel, it mowed and cut down.
And it restrained a multitude of adversaries; and bridged rivers.
And it crossed over and uprooted many forests, and made an open way.
The head went down to the feet, because unto the feet ran the wheel, and whatever had come upon it.
The letter was one of command, and hence all regions were gathered together.
And there was seen at its head, the head which was revealed, even the Son of Truth from the Most High Father.
And He inherited and possessed everything, and then the scheming of the many ceased.
Then all the seducers became headstrong and fled, and the persecutors became extinct and were blotted out.
And the letter became a large volume, which was entirely written by the finger of God.
And the name of the Father was upon it; and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, to rule for ever and ever.
Hallelujah.

http://users.misericordia.edu//davies/thomas/odes.htm

The following is taken from a manuscript fragment known as Parchment Oxyrhyncus 15.1786 (or more commonly as POxy 1786) and dates from the late 3rd century.....

Translated by M.L. West, from Ancient Greek Music. Oxford: Clarendon Press, 1994.

. . . Let it be silent,

Let the luminous stars not shine,

let the winds and all the noisy rivers die down;

and as we hymn the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit,

let all the powers add 'Amen, amen.'

Empire, praise always, and glory to God,

the sole giver of all good things.

Amen, amen.

http://hymnist.blogspot.com/2006/02/earliest-hymn.html
http://www.amaranthpublishing.com/PapyrusHymn.htm


Orthodox Worship: A Living Continuity with the Temple, the Synagogue and the Early Church by Williams, B. & Anstall, H
http://www.liturgica.com/cart/bookInfo.jsp?catNo=BA001


http://www.google.com/#q=christian+H...w=1024&bih=524

http://www.ancientchristianfaith.org/study-materials


http://www.bible.ca/H-trinity.htm
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The Priest.

I O Sovereign Lord our God, contemn me not, defiled with a multitude of sins: for, behold, I have come to this Your divine and heavenly mystery, not as being worthy; but looking only to Your goodness, I direct my voice to You: God be merciful to me, a sinner; I have sinned against Heaven, and before You, and am unworthy to come into the presence of this Your holy and spiritual table, upon which Your only-begotten Son, and our Lord Jesus Christ, is mystically set forth as a sacrifice for me, a sinner, and stained with every spot. Wherefore I present to You this supplication and thanksgiving, that Your Spirit the Comforter may be sent down upon me, strengthening and fitting me for this service; and count me worthy to make known without condemnation the word, delivered from You by me to the people, in Christ Jesus our Lord, with whom You are blessed, together with Your all-holy, and good, and quickening, and consubstantial Spirit, now and ever, and to all eternity. Amen.

Prayer of the standing beside the altar.

II Glory to the Father, and to the Son, and to the Holy Spirit, the triune light of the Godhead, which is unity subsisting in trinity, divided, yet indivisible: for the Trinity is the one God Almighty, whose glory the heavens declare, and the earth His dominion, and the sea His might, and every sentient and intellectual creature at all times proclaims His majesty: for all glory becomes Him, and honour and might, greatness and magnificence, now and ever, and to all eternity. Amen.

http://www.newadvent.org/fathers/0717.htm


An Ancient Christian Hymn with Musical Notation: Papyrus Oxyrhynchus 1786: Text and Commentary. Tübingen: Mohr Siebeck, 2011.

http://secure.garrett.edu/FacultyDet...id=155706#cat8
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In his commentary on the Odes, Charlesworth notes :

The date of the Odes has caused considerable interest. H. J. Drijvers contends that they are as late as the 3d century. L. Abramowski places them in the latter half of the 2d century. B. McNeil argued that they are contemporaneous with 4 Ezra, the Shepherd of Hermas, Polycarp, and Valentinus (ca. 100 C.E.). Most scholars date them sometime around the middle of the 2d century, but if they are heavily influenced by Jewish apocalyptic thought and especially the ideas in the Dead Sea Scrolls, a date long after 100 is unlikely....
http://www.gnosis.org/library/odes.htm

Parchment Oxyrhyncus 15.1786 (or more commonly as POxy 1786) and dates from the late 3rd century.
http://hymnist.blogspot.com/2006/02/earliest-hymn.html

Liturgy of St. James

The general scholarly consensus is that this liturgy originated in Jerusalem during the late fourth or early fifth century.
http://orthodoxwiki.org/Liturgy_of_St._James
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