Posts that say Only Catholics can Be Saved

[lisahiku]

Hey MOderators,
are you aware there are posts on here , mostly by traditional catholics that state only
Catholics can be saved and that it is offical teaching of the church?

Is this type of hurtful , FALSE statements allowed on here?

[Rascalking]

I'm not a moderator, but if those posts bother you that much, why not ignore them?

[Joe 5859]

If you see posts that violate forum guidelines for charitable posting, then I would encourage you to use the "Report Post" icon (that little triangle with the exclamation point in the upper-right-hand corner of each post) so that the Moderators can deal with it as appropriate.

It is a dogma of the Church that "Outside the Church there is no salvation." Some people interpret this dogma as meaning that only those who belong to the visible Catholic Church can be saved and everyone else is out of luck. I agree with you that such is an incorrect interpretation of the teaching. I like the way the Catechism describes it:

"Outside the Church there is no salvation"

846 How are we to understand this affirmation, often repeated by the Church Fathers? [335] Re-formulated positively, it means that all salvation comes from Christ the Head through the Church which is his Body:

Basing itself on Scripture and Tradition, the Council teaches that the Church, a pilgrim now on earth, is necessary for salvation: the one Christ is the mediator and the way of salvation; he is present to us in his body which is the Church. He himself explicitly asserted the necessity of faith and Baptism, and thereby affirmed at the same time the necessity of the Church which men enter through Baptism as through a door. Hence they could not be saved who, knowing that the Catholic Church was founded as necessary by God through Christ, would refuse either to enter it or to remain in it. [336]

847 This affirmation is not aimed at those who, through no fault of their own, do not know Christ and his Church:

Those who, through no fault of their own, do not know the Gospel of Christ or his Church, but who nevertheless seek God with a sincere heart, and, moved by grace, try in their actions to do his will as they know it through the dictates of their conscience - those too may achieve eternal salvation. [337]

848 "Although in ways known to himself God can lead those who, through no fault of their own, are ignorant of the Gospel, to that faith without which it is impossible to please him, the Church still has the obligation and also the sacred right to evangelize all men." [338]

[335] Cf. Cyprian, Ep. 73.21:PL 3,1169; De unit.:PL 4,509-536.
[336] LG 14; cf. Mk 16:16; Jn 3:5.
[337] LG 16; cf. DS 3866-3872.
[338] AG 7; cf. Heb 11:6; 1 Cor 9:16.

That said, I don't know that their theological opinion (however tactlessly they may articulate it) has been specifically condemned by the Church.

[Acapiteadcalcem]

Originally Posted by lisahiku

Hey MOderators,
are you aware there are posts on here , mostly by traditional catholics that state only
Catholics can be saved and that it is offical teaching of the church?

Is this type of hurtful , FALSE statements allowed on here?

I totally understand why you might be disturbed by this. It is shocking. The question to ask is, whether or not it is true. I am sorry that it seems hurtful but whether or not something is hurtful is not a reliable indicator of truth. I haven’t read the posts you refer to, nor am I a moderator, but the teaching of the church is not ambiguous.

I think we all presume too much about salvation, and seem to think that it is an easy ticket. As long as we are ‘good’ in whatever generic sense we take that word to mean, we seem to think that we have somehow earned salvation. But the Church is clear on this: there is no salvation outside the Church and the reason for this is quite simple: the Church is the mystical body of Christ, and there is no salvation without Christ who is the Way, the Truth and the Life (John 14:6). Scripture is also clear that there is not salvation without Baptism (John 3:5).

There are, of course, three kinds of baptism, but the message here is still clear and not open to private interpretation. There are, we should note, differing opinions too on what ‘without the Church’ means, but it remains a definite teaching and the Church fathers are, in general, unambiguous about its meaning.

If you are interested in the teaching of St Thomas Aquinas: he teaches that knowledge of God and Revelation is necessary for salvation (I-1.1); that there is no salvation without the faith (II-II.3.2); that there is no salvation without explicit faith in the Trinity (II-II.2.8); that there is no salvation without baptism (II-II.10.12); that all the seven sacraments, only available through the Church, are necessary for salvation (III-65.4).
For me, the message is clear and yes, it does sting. The modern world has clouded our view of the necessity of Christ and the Church.

[pismopal]

Originally Posted by lisahiku

Hey MOderators,
are you aware there are posts on here , mostly by traditional catholics that state only
Catholics can be saved and that it is offical teaching of the church?

Is this type of hurtful , FALSE statements allowed on here?

If the statements are "false"....why are you

[DAAVEED1590]

Originally Posted by lisahiku

Hey MOderators,
are you aware there are posts on here , mostly by traditional catholics that state only
Catholics can be saved and that it is offical teaching of the church?

Is this type of hurtful , FALSE statements allowed on here?

Dear lisahiku,

Cordial and Blessed greetings!

Please remember that "Extra Ecclesiam nulla salus" is a dogma of the Church and that its rejection herecy. The dogma has been taugh by the popes throughout the ages and contiunes to be taught by the Roman Pontiff.

Also, because the Sacraments (and beliefe in them) are nesscesary for salvation (espicialy the Eucharist), and only visible and spritual union with the Church is the path to salvation. We also must die in a State of Grace....

Taken from the Catholicism.org website:

“Outside the Church there is no salvation” (extra ecclesiam nulla salus) is a doctrine of the Catholic Faith that was taught By Jesus Christ to His Apostles, preached by the Fathers, defined by popes and councils and piously believed by the faithful in every age of the Church. Here is how the Popes defined it:

“There is but one universal Church of the faithful, outside which no one at all is saved.” (Pope Innocent III, Fourth Lateran Council, 1215.)

“We declare, say, define, and pronounce that it is absolutely necessary for the salvation of every human creature to be subject to the Roman Pontiff.” (Pope Boniface VIII, the Bull Unam Sanctam, 1302.)

“The most Holy Roman Church firmly believes, professes and preaches that none of those existing outside the Catholic Church, not only pagans, but also Jews and heretics and schismatics, can have a share in life eternal; but that they will go into the eternal fire which was prepared for the devil and his angels, unless before death they are joined with Her; and that so important is the unity of this ecclesiastical body that only those remaining within this unity can profit by the sacraments of the Church unto salvation, and they alone can receive an eternal recompense for their fasts, their almsgivings, their other works of Christian piety and the duties of a Christian soldier. No one, let his almsgiving be as great as it may, no one, even if he pour out his blood for the Name of Christ, can be saved, unless he remain within the bosom and the unity of the Catholic Church.” (Pope Eugene IV, the Bull Cantate Domino, 1441.)



One must either be a visible (and spiritual) member of the Church or must wish to be so for there to be any chance at salvation.

If you wish to debate me about it, PM me please.

Don't beleive the errors of modernism!

God Bless and Ave Maria!

[NewsTheMan]

Hello everyone.

Please refer to this thread to see what the OP is talking about. The OP is stirring up trouble and misrepresenting the thread and what has been going on - as if we said "only Catholics are saved" full stop. Whatever way you look at it, heaven is full of Catholics - who might have been physically within the protestant Church while on earth.

The OP believes in universalism, and denies the Catholic doctrine that outside the Church there is no salvation.

I am beginning to think the OP is a troll. I may be wrong, but I see stirring up and a specific targeting of "traditionalists".

OP: outside the Church there is no salvation. It's a Catholic doctrine and requires belief. Not sure what else to tell ya?

[Acapiteadcalcem]

Originally Posted by Joe 5859

That said, I don't know that their theological opinion (however tactlessly they may articulate it) has been specifically condemned by the Church.

Thank you for taking the time to do that research and upload those references. Always refreshing to be reminded of what the catechism teaches.

[TrueLight]

Originally Posted by lisahiku

Hey MOderators,
are you aware there are posts on here , mostly by traditional catholics that state only
Catholics can be saved and that it is offical teaching of the church?

Is this type of hurtful , FALSE statements allowed on here?

Lisahiku,

You often post threads/questions that are either offensive to Catholics or outright heretical. Yet, people are patient with you, even though as a Catholic, you should know better.

Should your threads/comments be allowed?

[DAAVEED1590]

Originally Posted by NewsTheMan

Hello everyone.

Please refer to this thread to see what the OP is talking about. The OP is stirring up trouble and misrepresenting the thread and what has been going on - as if we said "only Catholics are saved" full stop. Whatever way you look at it, heaven is full of Catholics - who might have been physically within the protestant Church while on earth.

The OP believes in universalism, and denies the Catholic doctrine that outside the Church there is no salvation.

I am beginning to think the OP is a troll. I may be wrong, but I see stirring up and a specific targeting of "traditionalists".

OP: outside the Church there is no salvation. It's a Catholic doctrine and requires belief. Not sure what else to tell ya?

I agree. I will report the thread, as I feel it is aimed at insulting Traditionalist Catholics

God Bless and Ave Maria!

[Robert Bay]

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