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Old Dec 2, '11, 11:29 pm
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Professor Luckey cites facts.
http://www.drwilliamluckey.com/index...nt-Health-Care
Government “Health Care”
June 20, 2009, Dr. William Luckey

"Firstly, the proper term for what is being discussed is “medical care,” not health care. Health care is the responsibility of each and every person according to his ability to influence events that affect his or her health. This would include eating good foods, getting enough sleep, trying to stay away from dangerous situations if possible, and so forth. But when even doing these things do not work to preserve one’s health, one seeks out medical professionals to aid in returning to health, if possible. So we are really speaking about medical care, not health care.

"Next, the medical care system in the United States is the best in the world. We have the best-trained physicians, nurses and technicians in the world, and we have the most up-to-date medical equipment.

"Thirdly, we have the best medical financing system in the world. We have many medical insurance companies, including one that will insure you for $10 per day, which advertises on television. Our emergency rooms are required by law to take anyone who comes in, and our ambulances are required to take anyone who wants to go. This includes people who have colds, flu, a “boo-boo,” regardless of their ability to pay, and the cost for this is foisted on the paying patients of the hospital, unknown to them. The hospital is not required to cure the nonpaying patient who is seriously ill or injured, but must get them at least to where they are stabilized.

"Fourthly, physicians and hospitals are willing to take payments.

"Fifthly, there is Medicare and Medicaid for the poor.

"This week, both the president and his press secretary stated that there were countries where the people were completely satisfied with a “single payer” (i.e., socialist, government-run) medical system. When the press secretary was asked to name one, he could not. But a study by the Cato Institute has some very interesting data. Patients having to wait for more than four months for non-emergency surgery: Britain, 36%; Canada, 27 %; New Zealand, 26%; Australia, 23%; the United States, 5%. The elderly evaluate their health care way better in the UK than in either Canada or the United States. During a 12-month period, in Ontario, 71 patients died waiting for coronary bypass surgery. The United States also has the lowest hospital stay period compared to the other western socialist countries. Prostate cancer mortality rates among those diagnosed with the disease: UK, 57%; France, 49%; Germany, 44%; Australia, 35%; New Zealand 30%; Canada, 25%; and the United States, only 19%. Remember, this is under the current systems, which, in the US, is a free-market system, but in all the aforementioned other countries is a socialist system."

Dr. William R. Luckey is Professor of Political Science and Economics at Christendom College and has expertise in Political Philosophy, Business and Economics, and Theology. He is an Adjunct Scholar of the Mises Institute and of the Acton Institute for the Study of Religion and Liberty. Dr. Luckey is also on the advisory board of the Center for Economic Personalism, and is on the Board of Scholars of the Virginia Institute for Public Policy Studies.
BRAVO! When I hear comments about our medical system being the "worst" and all the glories of government healthcare, my head blows off. I work in healthcare for a Catholic hospital and know of what I speak.

When we hear tales of those who have government healthcare who are happy with it, remember the vast majority have never USED it for anything more than routine and minimal care. If you were to ask cancer patients in these countries how they like their healthcare vis a vis cancer patients in the US, I suspect the answers would be different. Further these countries benefit from our innovative technology and development of drugs just as they benefit from our military protecting them.

You are right on regarding our litigious society DISCOURAGING volunteering by our healthcare providers. One of my retired doctors wanted to volunteer at a free clinic in an impoverished area of the state. Malpractice insurance, even for minimal part time practice ran $10000 a year. Needless to say he decided against volunteering in the US, instead going to India and Pakistan where he would be safe from lawsuits.

There are ways to reduce the cost of providing healthcare but the trial lawyers get in the way...even Howard Dean (a doctor) admitted this! Until that changes, we're going to discourage healthcare providers from helping to solve the problems of medical care for the poor.

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Old Dec 3, '11, 8:33 am
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Here is a quote from Bill Clinton's White House staffer, William Galston:

“You need only do three things in this country to avoid poverty: finish high school, marry before having a child, and marry after the age of 20. Only eight percent of the families who do this are poor; 79 percent of those who fail to do this are poor.”

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Yes I agree but there is one more..

Don't get sick or disabled.

Maybe this issue is too close to me to be objective so henceforth I will no longer comment.

My "view" is from a person who has been in poverty, worked out of it while battling alcoholism. I got sober 24 years ago, got a degree, got married worked over 30 years 23 in mental health, several breaking my back schlepping furniture up tenement walkup's and paid my due tax's throughout.

My back was damaged from years of physical work as well as football I played 7 years. I got in an auto accident that made my back require surgery. I tried to work 10 more years mostly in agony. My wife decided to leave me (she has since begged forgivness) I was losing time at work and a final work accident pushed my pain and disability over the edge as a screw placed in my back broke in half in that last accident.

I went on workers comp then SSD. I had re joined the Faith and became active as a volunteer in a nursing home, church and prisons ( I say this to make the point that I still "give" as I'm able) Now my point:......

Where would I be if not for FDR and the new deal "social" programs? I'm a proud man and have a hard time begging family for help (they have helped me) Were I supposed to go to charity's, well maybe i'd have to but I do not know any that will help me pay rent and bills etc throughout my disability. I wish I'd saved enough but as I was in human service, I made less then 35K a year at best! After tax it would have been near impossible to sock away say 650 thousand for retirement disability. (rough estimate)

So yes! I applaud our countries current system flawed as it is. I do not trust for a moment that private charity will or even be able to help the millions like me. History as I see it has shown a wonderful Church with great intentions but without the sheer n dollar amounts to really assist folks-All the charities together fill a niche but faced with an unjaundiced eye it is clear it has no where near the resource to do it.

I searched here to see what the right of center side has to offer as from what I read, it is not the state's job to help but allow business to flourish with least possible government. To me that is a noble sentiment that has not thus far worked as the past shows (gilded age to the depression had much free reign for robber barons and business)

I saw greed personified in cigars acutally being lit with 100 dollar bills (ok maybe not every day but it was done) Extreme wealth and extreme poverty-Then the great depression again many did quite well while many suffered greatly.

I wanted to hear answers to see how it would work without a welfare component and at least to my satisfaction, has not shown a real solution rather then charities and "good" jobs to be had if business flows well.

So, I salute FDR I thank LBJ and I will live the rest of my days (I hope) in security with a roof over my head, food, medical care and a few dollars in my pocket. I really cringe at the though of where I'd be without the social security program.

I opt out of comment save for any private messages as the back and forth right wing-left wing banter has caused me distress.

Thanks to all who tried to answer the issue

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Old Dec 3, '11, 4:41 pm
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Where would I be if not for FDR and the new deal "social" programs?....So, I salute FDR
Facing the facts of the destructive nature of government and Federal Reserve intervention is essential for facing reality.

Economic Depressions: Their Cause and Cure Mises Daily: Thursday, October 02, 2008 by Murray N. Rothbard
http://mises.org/daily/3127
“If Coolidge made 1929 inevitable, it was President Hoover who prolonged and deepened the depression, transforming it from a typically sharp but swiftly-disappearing depression into a lingering and near-fatal malady, a malady "cured" only by the holocaust of World War II. Hoover, not Franklin Roosevelt, was the founder of the policy of the "New Deal": essentially the massive use of the State to do exactly what Misesian theory would most warn against — to prop up wage rates above their free-market levels, prop up prices, inflate credit, and lend money to shaky business positions. Roosevelt only advanced, to a greater degree, what Hoover had pioneered. The result for the first time in American history, was a nearly perpetual depression and nearly permanent mass unemployment. The Coolidge crisis had become the unprecedentedly prolonged Hoover-Roosevelt depression.”

We Could Use a Man Like Warren Harding Again, Dr. Mark W. Hendrickson, August 12, 2009.
http://tinyurl.com/3dd6by3
“Harding convincingly demonstrated that government intervention is NOT the solution to economic downturns. His policies were the polar opposite of FDR’s depression-lengthening interventionistic blunders.”

Mises vs. Fisher on Money, Method, and Prediction: The Case of the Great Depression (Mises Institute; Auburn University) Mark Thornton, Dec 19, 2006).
http://mises.org/periodical.aspx?Id=7
“This decade of economic boom and stock market bubble is often referred to as the Roaring Twenties….Rothbard ([1963] 1983) has persuasively shown that the principal cause of the boom and bubble was the Federal Reserve management of the nation’s money and banking systems…. The stock market crash [1929] signaled the beginning of the Great Depression, the longest and most severe economic decline in modern history.”
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Yes I agree but there is one more..

Don't get sick or disabled.

Maybe this issue is too close to me to be objective so henceforth I will no longer comment.

My "view" is from a person who has been in poverty, worked out of it while battling alcoholism. I got sober 24 years ago, got a degree, got married worked over 30 years 23 in mental health, several breaking my back schlepping furniture up tenement walkup's and paid my due tax's throughout.

My back was damaged from years of physical work as well as football I played 7 years. I got in an auto accident that made my back require surgery. I tried to work 10 more years mostly in agony. My wife decided to leave me (she has since begged forgivness) I was losing time at work and a final work accident pushed my pain and disability over the edge as a screw placed in my back broke in half in that last accident.

I went on workers comp then SSD. I had re joined the Faith and became active as a volunteer in a nursing home, church and prisons ( I say this to make the point that I still "give" as I'm able) Now my point:......

Where would I be if not for FDR and the new deal "social" programs? I'm a proud man and have a hard time begging family for help (they have helped me) Were I supposed to go to charity's, well maybe i'd have to but I do not know any that will help me pay rent and bills etc throughout my disability. I wish I'd saved enough but as I was in human service, I made less then 35K a year at best! After tax it would have been near impossible to sock away say 650 thousand for retirement disability. (rough estimate)

So yes! I applaud our countries current system flawed as it is. I do not trust for a moment that private charity will or even be able to help the millions like me. History as I see it has shown a wonderful Church with great intentions but without the sheer n dollar amounts to really assist folks-All the charities together fill a niche but faced with an unjaundiced eye it is clear it has no where near the resource to do it.

I searched here to see what the right of center side has to offer as from what I read, it is not the state's job to help but allow business to flourish with least possible government. To me that is a noble sentiment that has not thus far worked as the past shows (gilded age to the depression had much free reign for robber barons and business)

I saw greed personified in cigars acutally being lit with 100 dollar bills (ok maybe not every day but it was done) Extreme wealth and extreme poverty-Then the great depression again many did quite well while many suffered greatly.

I wanted to hear answers to see how it would work without a welfare component and at least to my satisfaction, has not shown a real solution rather then charities and "good" jobs to be had if business flows well.

So, I salute FDR I thank LBJ and I will live the rest of my days (I hope) in security with a roof over my head, food, medical care and a few dollars in my pocket. I really cringe at the though of where I'd be without the social security program.

I opt out of comment save for any private messages as the back and forth right wing-left wing banter has caused me distress.

Thanks to all who tried to answer the issue

God Bless and peace be with your spirit
One of the things that has struck me about the Protestant Revolt is the dissolution of the social safety net provided by monasteries and convents. Before the PR, monasteries and convents provided all kinds of care to all kinds of people in need. Afterwards, well, the Protestant work ethic came into play

Another thing that has played into the difficulties we now face in the US is the very reliance on the government. I remember when Gore was running for President, he presented a woman who would have had to choose between medicine or food... and then it came out that her son was Quite Well Off, more than able to help her with her meds. Her response? She wanted to be independent. Goodness gracious, this woman was relying on the help of complete strangers but would not want to take help from her son whose diapers she'd changed?

But we used to be more able to rely on relatives, because there used to be more relatives. When many families had 6 or 8 or more children, there were plenty of younger relatives to help out. One elderly lady I know had no children, but a couple of her 4 brothers and sisters did, and so this elderly lady is cared for by a neice.

So inbetween lots of relatives, monasteries and convents, other helpful people, and moral lifestyles, yes, I think that we could mostly manage without government aid. But I do not think that will happen without a massive conversion to the Catholic Faith.
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Here is a quote from Bill Clinton's White House staffer, William Galston:

“You need only do three things in this country to avoid poverty: finish high school, marry before having a child, and marry after the age of 20. Only eight percent of the families who do this are poor; 79 percent of those who fail to do this are poor.”

I absolutely did all three of those things. Finished graduate school, married at 26, had my first child at 28 and my second at 32. I worked very hard, was never a stay at home mom. I often worked 60 plus hours a week to keep the bills paid. Yes, I saved, paid for private insurance. I had a retirement account and a decent but not overly nice car. Just one for all of us, and a small modest apartment. We did not live beyond our means.

Capitalism is a system of winners and losers, and I'm a loser. Both of my children had genetic disorders I had no control over. By the time we had diagnosis and realized what we were in for, what were we to do? Send them back? I did the right thing, I worked and maintained private insurance. Also caring for an autistic child and one with physical disabilities. Medicaid only helps the poor and destitute, my daughter needed care that could only be obtained out of state and Medicaid will NOT pay. She spent 4 months in the hospital in Portland Ore (Dornbeckers Childrens) about 8 years ago. That left us, even with private insurance $100,000.00 in debt. 4 months is more than family leave allows for, so I also lost my job and my insurance. Out of work for a year, the savings were gone. YES I lived for a YEAR on my savings, so I did my best. Medicaid filled that gap for colds and flu visits, but paid nothing on the extensive travel and orthopedic problems that still needed attention. Our only orthopedic children's hospital in NM considered her beyond help and predicted she would only live a year or two. At same time, I'm out of work and with no insurance and I still have an autistic son who is also a juvenile, insulin dependent diabetic who also has seizures. Getting back to work, and getting private insurance again was a nightmare and took three years. I did the right thing, my daughter is now in High School, however, she again needed extensive surgery and treatment to save her life. So again, I cut back on work, This time we ended up in St. Louis, at St. Louis Children's, again taking her to a place she could get appropriate care. Medicaid was useless even though we were eligible as it was out of state. Didn't pay a dime. Private insurance paid out about $380,000.00 but we still racked up about $50,000 in unpaid bills, plus lost work and travel. Now a year past that, I'm still needing a decent job. All the stress over the last 10 years has ruined my own health and an auto-immune disorder is destroying my joints and internal organs, mostly my pancreas.

I'm TIRED. I've worked professional jobs and paid in thousands of dollars in taxes, YES I paid TAXES. Yet reading here, all I see is that because I'm now poor, I'm a parasite. I need disability, I'm about to lose my house, and its getting to where I cannot walk and am almost continuously nauseous from medications and pancreatic problems. My eyes are so dry I cannot see well. I still work part time as director of a program serving the elderly. I still pay for private insurance (takes almost half my husband's check) and I do not get a dime in government assistance. The disability insurance I carried on myself is gone with my former job and of course is useless now that I need it.

I'm getting to the point I cannot physically do my job. Its not a matter of sucking it up, I've done that for years. Its a matter that I cannot get through a day without falling or vomiting.
If i lost my job, I lose my house. Not being unrealistic here, I need to hang on to it, our payment is less than on a 1 bedroom apartment. (as if a family of 4 would be allowed to rent a 1 bedroom) Losing it will not reduce our expenses. I only have 4 more years until its paid off, but it doesn't look like we'll make it. I might be eligible for a small disability payment, but it usually takes being out of work for a year to apply, then more months or even years until getting it approved. If it will even be there. Thats one of those "entitlements" that everyone loves to hate and will probably be ended long before I can get approved.

What does it matter, I'm just a useless parasite looking for a handout. I should shut up and pray to die soon so as not to inconvenience anyone.
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I absolutely did all three of those things. Finished graduate school, married at 26, had my first child at 28 and my second at 32. I worked very hard, was never a stay at home mom. I often worked 60 plus hours a week to keep the bills paid. Yes, I saved, paid for private insurance. I had a retirement account and a decent but not overly nice car. Just one for all of us, and a small modest apartment. We did not live beyond our means.

Capitalism is a system of winners and losers, and I'm a loser. Both of my children had genetic disorders I had no control over....... . I only have 4 more years until its paid off, but it doesn't look like we'll make it. I might be eligible for a small disability payment, but it usually takes being out of work for a year to apply, then more months or even years until getting it approved. If it will even be there. Thats one of those "entitlements" that everyone loves to hate and will probably be ended long before I can get approved.

What does it matter, I'm just a useless parasite looking for a handout. I should shut up and pray to die soon so as not to inconvenience anyone.
Your story is certainly a series of incredible challenges and someone like you is exactly what the safety net is all about. No one would begrudge you receiving some help both from the government and private charities. But I do challenge you to quote one single poster who disputes someone truly in need receiving assistance. I haven't seen one. Americans in general, and people of faith particularly are most compassionate, charitable and caring. But we are also realists and quite honestly a substantial portion of these anti poverty programs have proven to be counterproductive with money wasted on ineffective methods of breaking the cycle of poverty. That is the objection, not a case like yours.

What I have seen in this thread is a lot of frustration by people who, like you, do the right thing and see their hard earned dollars going to those who have made a series of incredibly poor choices, refusing to take responsibility for their actions and expecting someone else to pay their way. Not the poor, not the needy, not the helpless but rather the opportunists who have become corrupted by the myriad of available support for doing the wrong thing.

Trust me on this one. I've been a volunteer with various homeless shelters, drug & alcohol treatment centers, child abuse social service agencies. What I have seen are a lot of healthy, capable people who have learned to live off of others and do not have any concept of self reliance. Once this lifestyle starts, it gets passed along as easily as blue eyes or black hair. After a few generations of not seeing functional and sober adults working, taking responsibility for their children, it gets increasingly hard to turn this tide. This is not your situation at all and again, I think you are not seeing the difference between your situation and a third generation single mother without a high school education simply hoping TANF gets extended indefinitely.

Capitalism didn't cause your problems and you are correct, capitalism isn't like to solve them either. Your situation is exactly the reason we do need a safety net. The trick is not letting it become a hammock for those who would rather let someone else pull the wagon
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Pretty simple. Jobs. People work so they can eat.
And what if they CANT work? Some people have serious physical and mental problems that prevent them from holding stable or ANY employment! Besides, you can't buy a job now that is worth anything.
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And what if they CANT work? Some people have serious physical and mental problems that prevent them from holding stable or ANY employment! Besides, you can't buy a job now that is worth anything.
Once again, people who have serious physical or mental problems are not the issue. Do you think the majority of people in this country using social services are seriously physically or mentally disabled? Aside from that many people with physical impairments or those who are mentally challenged seek and find work.

This is not the problem nor the reason the poverty level hasn't decreased much if at all since Lyndon Johnson declared war on poverty. Statistically speaking in this country if you have a high school education, don't have a child out of wedlock, have A job of some kind you are unlikely to be poor barring some catastrophic health problem or serious disability.

To truly fight poverty we have to understand and be willing to speak the truth which is that like much of the ill health in this country, it's a matter of making poor choices. However our politically correct society, particularly the Social Industrial Complex doesn't want to face or speak the truth which is if you get knocked up in high school, don't marry, engage in substance abuse, and cut short your education, your options are pretty limited. Further the child growing up in that environment will unfortunately often follow the same path. I remember when volunteering for an social services agency that worked with families in crisis, that the children involved were often the third or fourth generation "in the system." Children learn what they live and as families break up or never form, the abbarant lifestyles become the new normal.

As to not being able to 'buy a job' worth anything, again that's to some extent a matter of choices in education, career and geography. There are places in the midwest that are booming and there are a lot of "Women's Studies" majors who are working at Starbucks and trying to pay of ten grand in student loans. There isn't a happy ending to that story either.

I feel blessed to live in a country where to a great extent we can determine our fate. I just hope that we can help guide the next generation to a better life in a better world.

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Glen,

I hope we can agree that the ultimate goal of any anti-poverty program should be to become redundant. By that I mean that the goal should be for the participants in that program to become independent of the requirement for assistance: that they gain the ability to produce sufficient goods and/or services so that they can provide for themselves and their families. (Of course, if that is the case, then the workers who administer such a program will eventually become largely redundant).

I would hope that we can agree that such a program would support and build up the construct of the nuclear family (using a definition that agrees with the teachings of the Church) and would support societal mores that would encourage that kind of construct.

I would hope that we can agree that such a program would ensure that the material and spiritual needs of those who are unable to work, through no fault of their own, would be provided. Specifically, I am talking about the elderly and the (mentally or physically) disabled.

We may not agree on the best way to accomplish these goals, but I would hope we can agree that these would be laudable goals.

So before I waste a bunch of bandwidth, can you agree with me that those are the types of goals you'd like to see?

I figure if we can agree the ends, we have a basis for discussion of means. If we can't agree on ends, then any discussion on means is sort of pointless, as we're not even trying to get to the same place in the end.
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Once again, people who have serious physical or mental problems are not the issue. Do you think the majority of people in this country using social services are seriously physically or mentally disabled? Aside from that many people with physical impairments or those who are mentally challenged seek and find work.
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Not where I live. There is a NON make believe 9 % unemployment rate.
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Not where I live. There is a NON make believe 9 % unemployment rate.
Hi, totally confused about the above response. 9% plus or minus is the national rate and has been for two years. Our state has had a higher rate (11%) and some such as the midwestern states have a lower rate. No 'make believe' about any of the statistics. They are real and certainly more real to those unemployed.

My point is that mentally or physically challenged folks are not the majority of unemployed or below the poverty level Americans. To claim that people who are not working CANNOT work is false. Certainly this economy has been the worst I remember and I'm not young. So opportunities do not abound. However unemployment like many statistics varies greatly by education, skills, AND geography. College educated have an unemployment rate of 4%. High school dropouts are in double digits. Again, not related to mental or physical disabilities. There are other factors in unemployment and poverty. Many can be addressed or changed.

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To claim that people who are not working CANNOT work is false.

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Really?
There are MANY people who are looking for work who can NOT find work. I just read on yahoo news about a woman who has a management background and she said all she wanted for christmas was an INTERVIEW.

Corporations have sent a TON of jobs overseas. Many have also laid off employees. Not everyone who is out of work is lazy. Many, many can NOT FIND JOBS.
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Really?
There are MANY people who are looking for work who can NOT find work. I just read on yahoo news about a woman who has a management background and she said all she wanted for christmas was an INTERVIEW.

Corporations have sent a TON of jobs overseas. Many have also laid off employees. Not everyone who is out of work is lazy. Many, many can NOT FIND JOBS.
Linda you are totally misreading what has been posted here. The issue is poverty not unemployment although of course the two are related. The focus has been on our anti poverty programs fostering a culture of dependence that has generations looking to the government to support them and their children. The causes of poverty (unformed families, broken families, poor education particularly in certain areas and in some cases a catastrophic accident or illness) are more micro do not coincide with the causes of unemployment which are more macro.

I think you are also confusing two issues; whether an unemployed person is unemployed because he or she is physically or mentally incapable of work (the minority) or if there are other reasons. You are correct, job searching in this economy is daunting. However you can't point to anecdotal evidence (one woman interviewed on Yahoo) to support your theory that there are no jobs, anywhere for anyone. Unemployment varies by location, education, ability, work ethic, and sadly things that people cannot control such as age, physical impairments etc. Again, no one is arguing that job searching is tough in this economy. It is. And it's harder for some than others. I agree. Still not related to the causes of poverty or the potential solutions.
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Rules for avoiding poverty:

* Graduate high school
* Get married before you have children
* If you get married, stay married
* Get a job, any job. A minimum wage job is a stepping stone
* Avoid engaging in criminal behavior

http://westernhero.blogspot.com/2009...-to-avoid.html


Rules for avoiding poverty:

http://www.e-gracenotes.org/article.php?id=2261


Marriage shows the way out of poverty:

http://www.heritage.org/research/com...out-of-poverty

http://www.heritage.org/research/com...oiding-poverty

Three simple rules for avoiding poverty:

(1) finish high school,
(2) produce no child before marrying, and
(3) produce no child before age 20.

If a person adheres to those three simple edicts, there is a 92% chance he will not be poor.

http://www.wisecounty.com/themuse/Column31.htm
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