Couple of Questions

fakename · #1 Dec 11, '11, 1:36 pm

1) when does mass begin, at the procession or at the time stated on the bulletin or both?

2) Are historical matters like "Mary was not Roman" or "the Jews came from Abraham" matters of faith?

svid2 · #2 Dec 11, '11, 2:39 pm

Mass begins when the priest leads the congregation in the Sign of the Cross.

ZDHayden · #3 Dec 11, '11, 2:51 pm

fakename said:

1) when does mass begin, at the procession or at the time stated on the bulletin or both?

As with the above, the Mass begins at the Sign of the Cross.

2) Are historical matters like "Mary was not Roman" or "the Jews came from Abraham" matters of faith?

Historical matters are matters of history, not faith. Mary was from what we now call Israel; she was not, as I understand it, a Roman citizen, so no, she was not a Roman.

And whether the Jews came from Abraham as biological descendants or spiritual descendants I think is rather pointless to argue. The Jewish faith was fed by many converts through the centuries, and so, even if there was a "main stream" genetically of Abraham's descendants, a good portion of the Jews were converts. ALL, however, were spiritual sons or daughters of Abraham, as are we.

followingtheway · #4 Dec 11, '11, 3:52 pm

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Originally Posted by fakename

1) when does mass begin, at the procession or at the time stated on the bulletin or both?

Like the others, when the Priest leads the congregation at the sign of the cross.

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Originally Posted by fakename

2) Are historical matters like "Mary was not Roman" or "the Jews came from Abraham" matters of faith?

No, we don't believe Mary was Roman and we DO believe Jewish people are children of Abraham.

Jim Dandy · #5 Dec 11, '11, 4:13 pm

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Originally Posted by fakename

1) when does mass begin, at the procession or at the time stated on the bulletin or both?

2) Are historical matters like "Mary was not Roman" or "the Jews came from Abraham" matters of faith?

There isn't always a procession; for example, at weekday Masses and sometimes on Sunday, and when the Mass is held in small chapels directly adjacent to the sacristy. The procession is a prelude to the Mass, but it's not essential. The Mass begins when the priest enters the sanctuary and prays the opening prayer, even if the time is not listed in the bulletin.

That Mary was not Roman and that the religion of Judaism came through Abraham are historial facts, not articles of faith. Jews got their name and the name of their religion from their homeland of Judea. (Just as we are Americans from America.)