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Old Dec 13, '11, 9:47 pm
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St Nicholas is indeed a great saint. But if you tell children that St Nicholas travels around the world in a sleigh driven by reindeer and delivers presents to children on Christmas night, then that's a blatant lie. The Bible says "Thou shalt not live; for thou speakest lies in the name of the LORD" (Zechariah 13:3). Wouldn't telling lies about a saint of God be almost as bad?

By the way, St Nicholas is not synonomous with Santa Claus. St Nicholas was merged with the English Father Christmas to create the modern Santa Claus. Although the two terms are generally synonyms today, they have separate origins.
You should go back and look at some of my posts on the subject, especially where I looked through the catechsim and showed what I thought did and DID NOT apply to the danger of lying to children.

And actually No, Saint Nick and Father Christmas aren't the only two, there are many other stories from around the world that add up to how we Americans and the modern western world know him as.

I encourage you actually to go to a store this season and look for three books on Santa, written as an autobiography for him and his wife. They start off with him as the good saint and move forward. It is excellent for children so they can learn where it all began and the truth of the nature of it. PLUS AT THE END THERE ARE EXCELLENT RECIPES!
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When I was younger, I and my siblings believed in Santa. We believed in everything- the jolly man in the red suit, the reindeer, the elves, ect. Every Chrstmas morning we'd come down to see our presents left by Santa- complete with a letter. Those letters always contained the reminder that we should enjoy our gifts, but remember what Christmas is truly about. In our house, Santa delivered to us the good news every year that Jesus Christ was born that day, and we should rejoice in his birth. We were told that Jesus always watched us and loved us and we should strive to be our best.
Then one year, I watched the movie Yes Virginia, There is a Santa Claus. When the movie ended I cornered my parents before bed and told them I was pretty sure Santa wasn't real. They told me that that was correct; it was they who placed our gifts under the tree. I wasn't even really saddened by this or cared all that much.
Over the years since that night, I have given thought to why it was those particular circumstances that led me to stop believing in Santa. I realized that Santa wasn't truly a myth- Santa existed in all who gave presents at Christmas. When you buy presents for your children, obviously you're playing Santa. When you drop some money into the Salvation Army kettle- you're Santa. Those nice people who went around paying for strangers' lay aways- they are Santa.
But it's more than that. Santa is only one night a year. Those people aren't just Santa Claus, they are also the love of Christ poured out to others. Santa exists for a night- Jesus exists forever. Santa is just one more manifestation of the love of Christ- a story to be sure, but when used properly, a wonderful learning tool for children to understand the love of Jesus. In our case, he actually taught us about Jesus. Santa may not have been real, but his words (more precisely, the words of my father) in his letters were very real. He taught us that he may bring us gifts, and we may give gifts to others, but that God gave us the greatest gift of all- His son. And God gives us that gift everyday, and we celebrate that gift every Christmas.
I have continued this tradition with my children- in fact, I even ask my dad to write Santa's letters because his writing is so wonderful. So yes, there is a Santa. He exists for me. To my brother, sister, and myself, Santa was wonderful for a few years. But we didn't just stop believing. We grew out of our belief of Santa because we grew into our faith in God and Jesus. I will believe in Santa until the day I die, because to me, he is more more example of love.
I am glad my parents let me believe, and I wouldn't take the magic away from my children for anything. But that's just my personal belief.....
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I just wondered what everyone else does. Is Santa allowed in your home? If yes, how do you explain it? If no, why not?
Yes, we had Santa. My child is a teen now so we are beyond that. And yes, we also had the Easter Bunny.

We also attend Mass Christmas Eve. And we are at the church Thursday, Friday and Saturday for Easter.

There is no question in our house why we have the holidays, Santa and the Easter Bunny were simply a nice addition.
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Good for the teacher. "Santa" steals the spotlight from our Lord. It's His holiday, not ho-ho boy's
Good on ya, mate!

Christmas has become increasingly about Santa. Last year I went to a Christian bookshop to get Christmas cards that were about Christ and His birth. Most of the Christmas cards you buy in regular shops feature Santa/presents/toys etc.

In many ways, Santa has taken over Christmas and made it all about him, rather than Christ. At my church, the priest asked the children what they were looking forward to the most at Christmas, and they said "toys" and "presents".

I personally think we should kick Santa out of Christmas and make it about Christ.
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Old Dec 15, '11, 4:33 am
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I personally think we should kick Santa out of Christmas and make it about Christ.
And as usual the ones with most fervor for the faith demonstrate their capacity to generate false dichotomies.
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Good on ya, mate!

Christmas has become increasingly about Santa. Last year I went to a Christian bookshop to get Christmas cards that were about Christ and His birth. Most of the Christmas cards you buy in regular shops feature Santa/presents/toys etc.

In many ways, Santa has taken over Christmas and made it all about him, rather than Christ. At my church, the priest asked the children what they were looking forward to the most at Christmas, and they said "toys" and "presents".

I personally think we should kick Santa out of Christmas and make it about Christ.

I might by chance go with your line of thinking but really seriously when one truly analyzes the entire secular facade of Christmas its far more of an corrupted and adulterated commercial Adult celebration than an exaggerated childhood fantasy with children under ten years old. Why blame a young innocent childhood fantasy on children?
Its Adults who remove the true religious aspect of Christmas in this world.
In fact its Adults who obscure the true meaning of Christmas even from their own children.
Not because of the childhood fantasy itself; but in everything else secular and adulterated Adults make this religious celebration to be anything else but the name sake of the real meaning of Christ-Mass to truly be.
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I read online in the Guardian 'how to teach Christmas', there was stuff about santa and trees and stuff but nothing about Jesus at all.

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When I was younger, I and my siblings believed in Santa. We believed in everything- the jolly man in the red suit, the reindeer, the elves, ect. Every Chrstmas morning we'd come down to see our presents left by Santa- complete with a letter. Those letters always contained the reminder that we should enjoy our gifts, but remember what Christmas is truly about. In our house, Santa delivered to us the good news every year that Jesus Christ was born that day, and we should rejoice in his birth. We were told that Jesus always watched us and loved us and we should strive to be our best.
Then one year, I watched the movie Yes Virginia, There is a Santa Claus. When the movie ended I cornered my parents before bed and told them I was pretty sure Santa wasn't real. They told me that that was correct; it was they who placed our gifts under the tree. I wasn't even really saddened by this or cared all that much.
Over the years since that night, I have given thought to why it was those particular circumstances that led me to stop believing in Santa. I realized that Santa wasn't truly a myth- Santa existed in all who gave presents at Christmas. When you buy presents for your children, obviously you're playing Santa. When you drop some money into the Salvation Army kettle- you're Santa. Those nice people who went around paying for strangers' lay aways- they are Santa.
But it's more than that. Santa is only one night a year. Those people aren't just Santa Claus, they are also the love of Christ poured out to others. Santa exists for a night- Jesus exists forever. Santa is just one more manifestation of the love of Christ- a story to be sure, but when used properly, a wonderful learning tool for children to understand the love of Jesus. In our case, he actually taught us about Jesus. Santa may not have been real, but his words (more precisely, the words of my father) in his letters were very real. He taught us that he may bring us gifts, and we may give gifts to others, but that God gave us the greatest gift of all- His son. And God gives us that gift everyday, and we celebrate that gift every Christmas.
I have continued this tradition with my children- in fact, I even ask my dad to write Santa's letters because his writing is so wonderful. So yes, there is a Santa. He exists for me. To my brother, sister, and myself, Santa was wonderful for a few years. But we didn't just stop believing. We grew out of our belief of Santa because we grew into our faith in God and Jesus. I will believe in Santa until the day I die, because to me, he is more more example of love.
I am glad my parents let me believe, and I wouldn't take the magic away from my children for anything. But that's just my personal belief.....
That's the kind of Santa I emphasize to my children- or did. The older ones don't believe anymore. But I always talked about St. Nicholas and his evolution into the modern Santa Claus and spoke about the spirit of giving. I will continue that with my younger children.
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When I was younger, I and my siblings believed in Santa. We believed in everything- the jolly man in the red suit, the reindeer, the elves, ect. Every Chrstmas morning we'd come down to see our presents left by Santa- complete with a letter. Those letters always contained the reminder that we should enjoy our gifts, but remember what Christmas is truly about. In our house, Santa delivered to us the good news every year that Jesus Christ was born that day, and we should rejoice in his birth. We were told that Jesus always watched us and loved us and we should strive to be our best.
Then one year, I watched the movie Yes Virginia, There is a Santa Claus. When the movie ended I cornered my parents before bed and told them I was pretty sure Santa wasn't real. They told me that that was correct; it was they who placed our gifts under the tree. I wasn't even really saddened by this or cared all that much.
Over the years since that night, I have given thought to why it was those particular circumstances that led me to stop believing in Santa. I realized that Santa wasn't truly a myth- Santa existed in all who gave presents at Christmas. When you buy presents for your children, obviously you're playing Santa. When you drop some money into the Salvation Army kettle- you're Santa. Those nice people who went around paying for strangers' lay aways- they are Santa.
But it's more than that. Santa is only one night a year. Those people aren't just Santa Claus, they are also the love of Christ poured out to others. Santa exists for a night- Jesus exists forever. Santa is just one more manifestation of the love of Christ- a story to be sure, but when used properly, a wonderful learning tool for children to understand the love of Jesus. In our case, he actually taught us about Jesus. Santa may not have been real, but his words (more precisely, the words of my father) in his letters were very real. He taught us that he may bring us gifts, and we may give gifts to others, but that God gave us the greatest gift of all- His son. And God gives us that gift everyday, and we celebrate that gift every Christmas.
I have continued this tradition with my children- in fact, I even ask my dad to write Santa's letters because his writing is so wonderful. So yes, there is a Santa. He exists for me. To my brother, sister, and myself, Santa was wonderful for a few years. But we didn't just stop believing. We grew out of our belief of Santa because we grew into our faith in God and Jesus. I will believe in Santa until the day I die, because to me, he is more more example of love.
I am glad my parents let me believe, and I wouldn't take the magic away from my children for anything. But that's just my personal belief.....
What a beautifully written post.

Says it all, really.
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Good on ya, mate!

Christmas has become increasingly about Santa. Last year I went to a Christian bookshop to get Christmas cards that were about Christ and His birth. Most of the Christmas cards you buy in regular shops feature Santa/presents/toys etc.

In many ways, Santa has taken over Christmas and made it all about him, rather than Christ. At my church, the priest asked the children what they were looking forward to the most at Christmas, and they said "toys" and "presents".

I personally think we should kick Santa out of Christmas and make it about Christ.
I agree. It reminds me of a "South Park" cartoon I saw as a teenager (this was long before I converted) where Santa was beating Jesus up. While such an image is awful, I think it accurately reflects what has happened in our culture.

And I think it all starts when we tell our children that Santa is real. It teaches them to want rather than to give. Guess how I know this.

When we teach our kids about Santa, we teach them to expect Santa to give them tons of presents. When we teach them about Jesus, we teach them to be giving like Jesus.
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When we teach our kids about Santa, we teach them to expect Santa to give them tons of presents. When we teach them about Jesus, we teach them to be giving like Jesus.
Actually, most if not all Santa Clause fiction taught me the complete opposite.
On the other end, I've seen religious folks treat the Rosary and praying to Jesus as if the former was a magical wish-granting spell and the latter is a genie.
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I see nothing against Santa. I don't even buy into that garbage some Protestants still perpetuate that by rearranging the letters in his name, you get Satan. So what?
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Actually, most if not all Santa Clause fiction taught me the complete opposite.
On the other end, I've seen religious folks treat the Rosary and praying to Jesus as if the former was a magical wish-granting spell and the latter is a genie.
http://www.barnesandnoble.com/w/auto...inn/1100315202

have you ever read this series? Its really good and really sets the message of Saint Nick down the right path.
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http://www.barnesandnoble.com/w/auto...inn/1100315202

have you ever read this series? Its really good and really sets the message of Saint Nick down the right path.
No but I'd sure now like to.

Then again, it pretty much resembles all the others I've read. Nice, sweet, and all about the spirit of giving...

Wait a minute, upon further reflection...
That does not sound natural coming from a Halloween freak like me. >_>;;;
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