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Dec 21, '11, 4:39 pm
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Judaism
What are the main points which one would point out to a Jew when explaining Christian?
Also, how would one defend the reason why we don't follow the Mosaic Law?
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Dec 21, '11, 4:56 pm
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Re: Judaism
I would walk them through the covenant promises with God, from the Adamic to the Davidic covenant. Then I would begin to show them how that the New Testament shows that Jesus fulfilled each of those covenants. Then explain the reason we don't believe we are under the Mosaic law is that we believe that Jesus took the curse of breaking the law that we were all guilty of, and then established a new Covenant between God and man.
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Dec 21, '11, 5:22 pm
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Re: Judaism
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Originally Posted by AveMaria12
What are the main points which one would point out to a Jew when explaining Christian?
Also, how would one defend the reason why we don't follow the Mosaic Law?
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The answer to your second question is that Jews don't expect non-Jews to follow the Mosaic Law (Torah Law) in all its details and complexities. Torah applies only to Jews, who carry a particular responsibility--due to G-d's choosing rather than any special merit on the Jewish people's part--as a priest people who are supposed to set and maintain an example of moral behavior for the nations of the world to emulate. Needless to say, one can never be perfect in practicing that behavior, but one does the best one can. However, we do expect you to follow the seven laws of Noah for the purpose of leading a moral life.
The answer to the first question, for me, is that I'm already aware of many of the dogma and doctrines in Christianity and, in particular, Catholicism. If the purpose is evangelism, then you might lead by the example of your faith and charity.
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Dec 21, '11, 5:35 pm
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Re: Judaism
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Originally Posted by AveMaria12
Also, how would one defend the reason why we don't follow the Mosaic Law?
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Have them read Romans. A Pharisee already explained it quite well.
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Dec 21, '11, 8:05 pm
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Re: Judaism
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What are the main points which one would point out to a Jew when explaining Christian?
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AveMaria:
First, the advice to have them read Romans is good advice. In St. Paul's letters to the Romans and Galatians, St. Paul, a Jew himself, provides a near redundancy of answers to the Jews of his time, that their Law has been replaced by Jesus Christ, the Passion, and the Resurrection. Faith in Christ, from that time forward, renders the Law fulfilled for purposes of salvation.
The good faith Jew of today is still waiting for the Messiah. For the Christian, He has already come.
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Also, how would one defend the reason why we don't follow the Mosaic Law?
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"8.1Hence, now there is no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus. 2For the law of the spirit of life in Christ Jesus has freed you from the law of sin and death. 3For what the law, weakened by the flesh, was powerless to do, this God has done: by sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh and for the sake of sin, he condemned sin in the flesh, 4 so that the righteous decree of the law might be fulfilled in us, who live not according to the flesh but according to the spirit. - NAB God bless,
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Dec 22, '11, 1:04 pm
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Re: Judaism
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Originally Posted by meltzerboy
The answer to your second question is that Jews don't expect non-Jews to follow the Mosaic Law (Torah Law) in all its details and complexities. Torah applies only to Jews, who carry a particular responsibility--due to G-d's choosing rather than any special merit on the Jewish people's part--as a priest people who are supposed to set and maintain an example of moral behavior for the nations of the world to emulate. Needless to say, one can never be perfect in practicing that behavior, but one does the best one can. However, we do expect you to follow the seven laws of Noah for the purpose of leading a moral life.
The answer to the first question, for me, is that I'm already aware of many of the dogma and doctrines in Christianity and, in particular, Catholicism. If the purpose is evangelism, then you might lead by the example of your faith and charity.
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Thank-you very much meltzerboy. You're a good source since you're a Jew yourself. But what if someone of Jewish nationality were to convert to Christianity? He wouldn't be under the Mosaic law anymore
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Dec 22, '11, 3:33 pm
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Re: Judaism
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Thank-you very much meltzerboy. You're a good source since you're a Jew yourself. But what if someone of Jewish nationality were to convert to Christianity? He wouldn't be under the Mosaic law anymore
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That is correct. Converts from Judaism to Christianity are considered Christian according to Judaism, even though the converts may regard themselves as Jewish Christians, Messianic Jews, or Hebrew Catholics. Therefore, they would no longer need to abide by Torah Law. If they still choose to, they are in some instances infringing upon both Jewish law and Catholic canon by Judaizing. I realize the latter statement is controversial.
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Dec 22, '11, 4:43 pm
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Re: Judaism
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Originally Posted by meltzerboy
The answer to the first question, for me, is that I'm already aware of many of the dogma and doctrines in Christianity and, in particular, Catholicism. If the purpose is evangelism, then you might lead by the example of your faith and charity.
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I don't think that the utility of theology to make evangelism is certainly not if we are with a Jew. You say that you are aware of many of the dogma and doctrines in Christianity and, in particular, Catholicism. And anyway you are still Jew. But is that awareness strong enough to override all the Catholic arguments about the Promise that Jesus of Nazareth could fulfill? If Judaism can deny Christianity, so Christian people should to become jewish or well we should to watch the Seven dictates of Noah. But the awareness given to educated Jews can not to deny Christianity, but just cronfront that. In that case it is maybe like you say and the only way to make evangelism to a educated Jew is by the example of faith and charity. That would be like that because theology would not be decisive way. But not by not be decisive the christian theology couldn't be something to show, if it is not denied by the Jewish tradition. Like I said, if it is denied, so it is very bad by us to be still Christian, since Christianity claims to be based on total Judaism, though not only on total Judaism.
I made too much troubles with my phraseology. I want to say... Are denied by the Jewish tradition the Christian arguments about the fulfillment of the Promise by Jesus all and deeply? Or Jewish tradition just propose a confrontation of the Christian arguments, proposing a possible parallel interpretation? (I say "just proposes" because in religious matters, something that is not categorical gives very much hope).
Excuse me also by this I make with the english language... I believe that your genial literacy will enable you to understand me  .
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Dec 22, '11, 4:59 pm
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Re: Judaism
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Originally Posted by Julia Mae
Have them read Romans. A Pharisee already explained it quite well.
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Paul is not so respected in some Jew circles like some pagan roots for Him may be appealed (maybe because he lived on the Diaspora).
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Dec 22, '11, 8:33 pm
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Re: Judaism
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Originally Posted by meltzerboy
That is correct. Converts from Judaism to Christianity are considered Christian according to Judaism, even though the converts may regard themselves as Jewish Christians, Messianic Jews, or Hebrew Catholics. Therefore, they would no longer need to abide by Torah Law. If they still choose to, they are in some instances infringing upon both Jewish law and Catholic canon by Judaizing. I realize the latter statement is controversial.
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Thank-you very much.
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Dec 23, '11, 3:27 pm
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Re: Judaism
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Originally Posted by Julia Mae
Have them read Romans. A Pharisee already explained it quite well.
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Thanks!
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