Richard Dawkins

catholicgamer · #4 Feb 21, '12, 12:47 pm

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Originally Posted by MrSylvester

Catholicgamer, I'm going to be blunt even though I have no authority to: do your research. The Church ALWAYS taught thats its teachings on faith and morals are infallible. If the only dogmas the Church ever taught to be absolute were the Immaculate Conception and the Assumption, both very important dogmas as they show Mary's special place in Gods Heart and Her role in salvation (something which is shamefully forgotten by many Catholics who are too lazy to pick up a Rosary, and which sadly, I am guilty of too

), why only those two? Aren't the teachings of the Eucharist both infallible? Isn't Vatican Council I infallible? You know when Pius IX defined as a matter of fact in Vatican Council, Sess. IV , Const. de Ecclesiâ Christi, Chapter iv:

We teach and define that it is a dogma Divinely revealed that the Roman pontiff when he speaks ex cathedra, that is when in discharge of the office of pastor and doctor of all Christians, by virtue of his supreme Apostolic authority, he defines a doctrine regarding faith or morals to be held by the universal Church, by the Divine assistance promised to him in Blessed Peter, is possessed of that infallibility with which the Divine Redeemer willed that his Church should be endowed in defining doctrine regarding faith or morals, and that therefore such definitions of the Roman pontiff are of themselves and not from the consent of the Church irreformable. So then, should anyone, which God forbid, have the temerity to reject this definition of ours: let him be anathema. (see Denziger §1839).

And, by Pope Boniface VIII: "We declare, say, define and proclaim to every human creature that they by necessity for salvation are entirely subject to the Roman Pontiff."
-Pope Boniface VIII, Unam Sanctam, November 18, 1302, ex cathedra.

Now catholicgamer, are you going to accept the teachings of Jesus Christ God as handed down by Him to the apostles and to the Church or are you going, to put it bluntly and without meaning to sound mean, make up things which are not true just so you will not offend atheists because they think they are right in not thinking the Catholic faith to be infallible, despite their interpretations of infallibility being wrong?

http://www.uscatholic.org/church/201...ible-teachings

"There is no set list of ex cathedra teachings, but that’s because there are only two, and both are about Mary: her Immaculate Conception (declared by Pope Pius IX in 1854 and grandfathered in after the First Vatican Council’s declaration of papal infallibility in 1870) and her bodily Assumption into heaven (declared by Pope Pius XII in 1950)."

...further..

"Even though only two doctrines have been declared ex cathedra, there are many others that the church professes must be believed. Some of these are laid out in the 1998 “Commentary on the Concluding Formula of the Professio fidei” issued by then-Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith.

According to this document, many teachings are “irreformable” and “definitive” and as such can be seen as possessing the binding quality of an infallible doctrine, although not necessarily proclaimed ex cathedra. That is, they aren’t promulgated by the pope himself but by the larger magisterium of the church. The lineup of “irreformable” teachings—ones divinely revealed—include those regarding Jesus, Mary, sin and grace, the sacraments, the primacy of the pope, and the doctrinal formulations of the ancient creeds."