Catholics and Muslims - Page 9

PumpkinSeed · #**121** Feb 22, '12, 5:20 pm

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Originally Posted by jakasaki

Well, it claimed under islam, that once you become a "muslim", all of your past sins are forgiven.

Also, another way to get rid all of your sins under islam, is that you must do the Hajj - you know go to SA and go around the Kaba and then run up the hill and throw stones at this building where they claim the devil lives.

These actions will remove all of your sins, under islam.

Throwing stones at a building gets rid of your sins? Do they truly believe that or were you joking? That's just plain silly!

jakasaki · #**122** Feb 22, '12, 6:05 pm

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Originally Posted by PumpkinSeed

Throwing stones at a building gets rid of your sins? Do they truly believe that or were you joking? That's just plain silly!

Me kid... about islam... surely you jest.

Nope ~ that 's what they do.

One of the "things a muslim must do in life IF they are healthy & THEY can do, ... is go to Saudi Arabia

Is called a "hajj" - go to SA & visit the Ka'ab. You know the black cube. They need to clean themselves and put on this white cloth type covering for the men...

Anyway, they walk around this black cube 7 times... and then there is this building up the road... I don't know how many miles from the cube.

They believe satan lives in there and they throw stones on this building...

Hey... look up:

Jamarat – The Hajj Ritual of Stoning the Devil (Shaytan)

Shaytan is what they call satan. You can read all about it from an islamic site.

Eric Hyom · #**123** Feb 22, '12, 6:27 pm

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Originally Posted by jakasaki

CCC841 has been a problem on here for a long time between Catholics & Catholics

Some agree VII while other Catholics do not.

I thought there was only One Catholic Church, why should some Catholics disagree with CCC841?

Blessings

Eric

jakasaki · #**124** Feb 22, '12, 6:31 pm

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Originally Posted by PumpkinSeed

Throwing stones at a building gets rid of your sins? Do they truly believe that or were you joking? That's just plain silly!

I think you missed the whole ritual.

First is the hajj - going to the Kaba - black cube in SA.

Then it's going around the Kaba 7 times back & forth

Then it's kissing the Kaba

And then... this happens...

Stoning of the devil during 'Hajj':

During Hajj they circle 7times around kaba made of stone.

they kiss a stone which is called hajr aswad.

then thy run from one stone to another stone 7 times which is called safa or marwa

then they pick up 70 stones, to stone the devil

Why do they do this.....? '

Cause their allah commanded them to follow the the way which is called "sunna" of their prophet.

PumpkinSeed · #**125** Feb 22, '12, 6:33 pm

Well, that is.... ridiculous, to put it lightly.

adoglover1956 · #**126** Feb 22, '12, 6:38 pm

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Originally Posted by PumpkinSeed

Well, that is.... ridiculous, to put it lightly.

It's much easier to just go to confession!!

jakasaki · #**127** Feb 22, '12, 6:41 pm

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Originally Posted by Eric Hyom

I thought there was only One Catholic Church, why should some Catholics disagree with CCC841?

Blessings

Eric

Well Eric... I don't know nor do I care.

Or should I say, I do know cause it's all posted on here.

You only have 400+ postings since you've joined and I can assure you, there has been a great debate for many years regarding CCC841.

Many Catholic posters who were members of this site have left here because they do not believe in CCC841.

And I suspect a few Catholic posters have left the CC because of CCC841...

Or should I say... " I PROFESS" that they have left the CC, since CCC841 claims that the "muslims PROFESS to uphold the faith of Abraham"

Search the conversations via the search criteria.

jakasaki · #**128** Feb 22, '12, 6:44 pm

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Originally Posted by PumpkinSeed

Well, that is.... ridiculous, to put it lightly.

I'm just posting what they do.. !!

Ridiculous... YUP..

Especially when they kiss the black stone - and they have the "nerve" to call us names when we kiss the Holy Cross.

adoglover1956 · #**129** Feb 22, '12, 6:44 pm

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Originally Posted by jakasaki

Well Eric... I don't know nor do I care.

Or should I say, I do know cause it's all posted on here.

You only have 400+ postings since you've joined and I can assure you, there has been a great debate for many years regarding CCC841.

Many Catholic posters who were members of this site have left here because they do not believe in CCC841.

And I suspect a few Catholic posters have left the CC because of CCC841...

Or should I say... " I PROFESS" that they have left the CC, since CCC841 claims that the "muslims PROFESS to uphold the faith of Abraham"

Search the conversations via the search criteria.

Not only that...but the CCC is not the final authority on Catholic teaching. I know that sounds confusing...but it's true. The current version of the CCC and CCC841 are primarily the opinions of Vatican II and JPII. Somehow I don't think Benedict has quite the same admiration for islam.

jakasaki · #**130** Feb 22, '12, 6:45 pm

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Originally Posted by adoglover1956

It's much easier to just go to confession!!

LOL ~

There is NO confession under islam.

jakasaki · #**131** Feb 22, '12, 6:49 pm

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Originally Posted by adoglover1956

Not only that...but the CCC is not the final authority on Catholic teaching. I know that sounds confusing...but it's true. The current version of the CCC and CCC841 are primarily the opinions of JPII.

I am not Catholic and I don't know that much about Catholocism.

I don't know much of what changed between Vatican and Vatican II.

But I do know that VII added the CCC841

adoglover1956 · #**132** Feb 22, '12, 6:49 pm

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Originally Posted by jakasaki

LOL ~

There is NO confession under islam.

I know...they redeem themselves by stone throwing.

jakasaki · #**133** Feb 22, '12, 6:53 pm

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Originally Posted by adoglover1956

I know...they redeem themselves by stone throwing.

For the Love of God...

No... no... no...

First you must do Hajj, go around the Kaba 7 times & kiss it.

That cleanses your sins

Then you do the stone throwing ...

Got it... !!!

When it's all done, it's done.

adoglover1956 · #**134** Feb 22, '12, 6:57 pm

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Originally Posted by jakasaki

For the Love of God...

No... no... no...

First you must do Hajj, go around the Kaba 7 times & kiss it.

That cleanses your sins

Then you do the stone throwing ...

Got it... !!!

When it's all done, it's done.

Is the Hajj a dance or something? I thought they just were a stones throw away from the black box and threw stones. When they were done they went home and ate supper. That's not it?

Trebor135 · #**135** Feb 22, '12, 7:03 pm

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Originally Posted by adoglover1956

The current version of the CCC and CCC841 are primarily the opinions of Vatican II and JPII. Somehow I don't think Benedict has quite the same admiration for islam.

Thank goodness for that! In fact, Pope Benedict XVI baptized a nominal Muslim, Magdi Allam, at the Easter vigil in 2008.

Grand(?) Ayatollah Ruhollah Khomeini handed down a death sentence for Salman Rushdie, and Islamists have laid a bounty on the head of Coptic TV evangelist Fr. Zakaria Boutros. The pope is a far more visible public figure, so one wonders why no one has made an attempt on his life yet. (I of course don't want this man of great intellect and piety to be killed, but I'd be very curious to see how prominent Islamic clerics would react to such a terrible event.)