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This forum used to be titled Eastern Christianity. It allowed for discussions on the various issues between the Catholic Church and Eastern Orthodoxy, hopefully in the cause of ecumenism. Unfortunately, forum discussions often deteriorated into fights resulting in a large increase in management time (which we could ill afford).

This forum is now titled Eastern Catholicism. The focus of this forum is to provide a community for Eastern Catholics and to help Latin Catholics better appreciate the Church's Eastern heritage. Non-Catholics are welcome to participate in compliance with the stated purpose of the forum.

We understand that there is a wide diversity of expression of theology, spirituality, and discipline between and within the Eastern, Oriental, and Western rites and churches. While these topics may legitimately be discussed in charity, calling into question the catholicity, orthodoxy, or personal faith of another is outside the purpose of this forum and will not be tolerated. Please review our forum guidelines on charity before posting.

Thank you for your participation in this forum and we hope that the changes we have made will contribute to this forum’s success.
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Default On the use of the words uniate, schismatic, and heretic

Historically, the term Uniate was employed relatively freely by the Catholic Churches, including those of the East and Orient, as well as by the Orthodox Churches.

During a period in the 20th century, it took on a pejorative nature when it was perceived as being used sneeringly by some Orthodox (principally those of the Eastern, rather than the Oriental, Churches). As a result, the Eastern and Oriental Catholics ceased using the term in reference to themselves, particularly in America, where the majority of CAF's posters reside.

In recent history, there has been some increase in the use of the term by Rome itself and by some Eastern and Oriental Catholics. The subject has been much discussed here in the past, expressing that a large segment of CAF's Eastern and Oriental Catholics continue to view the term to be an offensive pejorative. As such, the abiding guideline was a ban of the term uniate, along with heretic and schismatic (and their derivative forms), when they are used in a manner that smacks of them being confrontational, contemptuous, disparaging, inciteful, insulting, taunting, or worse.

Knowing the offense taken by many of the Eastern and Oriental Catholics who post here, and knowing the historical context for their concern, using the term uniate as a generic descriptor for Catholics of the Eastern and Oriental Churches who are in union with Rome is by nature confrontational and uncharitable and as such is not allowed. Likewise, the use of the terms schismatic or heretic may not be used as generic descriptors for any of the Eastern or Oriental Churches, whether Catholic or Orthodox.

An example of acceptable usage of the terms is a direct quote of a third-party document which is otherwise pertinent to an ongoing discussion. Care should be taken by all posters that their choice of words foster an environment in which it is possible to discuss, dialogue, dissent, and even debate without causing offense or acrimony between posters.

Note that ascribing these terms to the faithful or to individual members of any of the Apostolic Churches is absolutely unacceptable and will not be tolerated.

Please review our Charity guidelines first, and if you have any further questions or concerns, please feel free to contact a forum moderator.
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Debate Guidelines for Eastern Catholicism
These guidelines are the same as CAF's long-standing religious discussion guidelines and charity guidelines, but they re-state the general guidelines taking into account the specific nature of debates and the style of posters frequently seen in the Eastern Catholicism forum. All debates in the Eastern Catholicism forum are held to these guidelines, which were developed from trial and error by Eastern Catholicism posters from diverse backgrounds.

No direct or implied you statements unless it is genuine praise.
  • You said...
  • You need to...
  • You don't get it.
  • Why don't you...
  • If only you...
  • It is you who...
  • You are wrong.
  • You misunderstood.
  • I'm not the one who...
  • Some people here...
No indication of what the other needs to do unless it is genuine praise.
  • You need to...
  • Why don't you...
  • If you'd only...
  • Those of us who have...
Use non-controversial words which have meanings everyone can agree on whenever possible.
Spend your time discussing the substance of the topic and not arguing tangents on words that instigate or inflame the other side.

Use bolds, underlines, font size increases, or other emphases very sparingly.

No hyperbole and no sarcasm in a debate.
  • This conversation always...
  • Every single time this comes up...
  • Aren't you a saint?
Remember: your goal in a debate on the Eastern Catholicism forum is to sound like an encyclopedia robot. If you think you sound like a robot, that means you're probably discussing the topic and not each other.
Please remember that there are many people lurking who are judging your position and all those who are in your communion by your behavior alone. It does not matter what anyone else says; you should be a model of charitable dialogue. If someone else is not, please do not respond in kind. Let the moderator know and it will be handled as necessary.


CAF's General Guidelines for Posting in a Religious Discussion
  • Always abide by the forum rules.
  • Civility and a respect for each other should be foremost.
  • Posters are expected to treat each other as equals with equal expectations of each other in terms of research, logic, challenges, and portrayal of Catholic teaching.
  • Questions are a better approach than assertions, unless the latter are framed in a non-confrontational and non-accusatory manner.
  • Don't answer a question with a question. If you don't know the answer, say so.
  • Rhetorical questions may be used to introduce a new aspect of inquiry but not to evade challenges or to call into question the intelligence, education, or any other personal qualities of another poster.
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  • It is never acceptable to question the sincerity of an individual's beliefs.
  • It is never acceptable to assume or say you know what another person thinks or needs.
  • If you aren't going to go into the discussion with the resolution that you could just possibly have your view broadened, you may as well not go into it.
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  • It is easy to stray from the rules in the heat of battle. Try to make corrections gently, with the assumption that no offense was meant. It usually is not. Also, keep in mind that some people are thick-skinned. What seems a vicious attack to you may seem a light-hearted spar to them.
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Members are not allowed to be disrespectful of anyone's faith or religion, whether it is Catholicism or not. If a member is disrespectful, he will generally be counseled first and suspended if he persists in disrespectful postings.

If the nature of an initial posting is blatantly disrespectful to any religion (e.g., "the pope is the anti-Christ" or "
Rome is the Whore of Babylon" or "Muslims are terrorists"), suspension may be immediate and without prior counseling.

Members are free to discuss, dialogue, question, disagree with, and debate the liturgy, theology, spirituality, discipline, culture, and history of Eastern, Oriental, and Western Catholicism. However, all discourse must be civil and charitable.

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For both Catholic and non-Catholic posters:
  • It is never acceptable to question the sincerity of an individual's beliefs
  • Bringing up historical controversies peculiar to a particular Church should be done cautiously*
    • It is acceptable to discuss the effect the incident had on current policy or practice.
    • It is acceptable to seek the truth vs. commonly-held beliefs or conventional wisdom about actual events.
    • It is fallacious reasoning to use embarrassing incidents to claim that they "prove" a particular Church is or was in error.
  • Expecting members of any Church to defend or answer for the excesses or extremism of bodies that have broken with it is a technique that has no merit and can't be defended.

*It is our observation that discussion of such past events rarely serves a useful purpose and inevitably opens a thread to posts that violate forum rules and/or the bounds of civil discourse. So, while such threads may be useful, they raise a red flag for the Moderation staff.
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Please keep each thread on-topic.

When you have a new topic to discuss, please look for existing threads on the same topic and post to them.

If there is not an existing thread on the topic, please start a new one in the appropriate forum instead of inserting an off-topic post into another thread. You may post a link to the new discussion in the original thread.

Please make descriptive thread titles so that all know what will be discussed inside the thread.

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To achieve this, it is necessary to ban certain topics, content, and posting techniques. If you are unsure whether or not something falls within the scope of this list, inquire of a moderator privately, before posting
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  8. Proselytizing Catholics or encouraging them to leave the Church
  9. Debating moderator action, including discussing, disputing, or speculating as to why a member’s posting privileges were restricted, why posted messages were edited or deleted, or why threads were closed or removed from public fora
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  15. Rumored "conversions in process" that involve third parties, particularly public figures. Exception: If the possible conversion is itself a news story, that news story may be discussed in the Catholic News sub-forum so long as a link to the news story is provided in the original post
  16. Encouraging “swarming” of other forums to engage in debate of anti-Catholic postings there
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It is becoming a problem for me when people post comments in a thread where the readers can't do anything about it, but don't write me when I can.

If a thread might belong somewhere else, people comment in the thread, and I'm not told, the thread doesn't get moved. If I then see that it needs to be moved, it looks funny to read the thread in Apologetics asking throughout if it should belong elsewhere when the elsewhere is really where it is. It can be very confusing.

The best policy is to respond to the topic of the thread if you want to, and to write me a private note explaining why you think that topic belongs on another board. You can reach me through a PM or by clicking the red triangle in the upper right of a post.

Likewise, if you believe someone is being rude, quoting and responding to it several times before deciding to ask me to step in makes my work more difficult because I have to remove the bits and pieces of the conversation that were offensive from the rest of the thread. An increasing hostility which you've tried to address fraternally can certainly be brought to my attention. Once the rules are clearly violated, please refrain from responding and instead bring it to my attention.

I expect charity from all posters, give all posters the benefit of the doubt that they desire to post charitably, and want to work with each person to make his or her posting time here pleasant and profitable for all. I'm not looking to pull out the wet noodles for lashings. I do not want to censure people's differences in theology, understanding of history or other points of dialogue. I want to work with you to make this a community for Eastern Catholics. If a thread might go elsewhere, tell me! If someone is disrupting a thread and violating the rules, tell me! I can isolate the problem, often with a simple exchange of PMs, and allow the threads to charitably continue in their proper locations.

I'm writing to a number of people about the issue, so if you receive one of these PMs in the coming days, please accept the fraternal correction gracefully. This isn't a problem with one or two people, but a norm that has become prevalent on the board. I want to remind individuals as it happens of the desired and more advantageous procedure so we we can work together from the same page. If you have any questions, comments or concerns, please feel free to contact me directly. I appreciate your help!

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inb4 404

Mods, if you're listening (and I suspect you are), perhaps a "sticky" is in order?

(1) Proselytizing Orthodoxy over Catholicism is clearly out of bounds. But I imagine some believe that "proselytizing" Eastern theology over Western theology is fair game. So, which fora are open for arguing (i.e., not "proselytizing") theology -- East. Cath. or Non. Cath.? (or apologetics, even?)
Relevant stickies:
CAF Statement of Purpose
EC Forum Statement of Purpose
Forum Rules
Banned Topics List
Choosing Your Forum Wisely
Charity

We understand that there is a wide diversity of expression of theology, spirituality, and discipline between and within the Eastern, Oriental, and Western rites and churches. Members are free to discuss, dialogue, question, disagree with, and debate the liturgy, theology, spirituality, discipline, culture, and history of Eastern, Oriental, and Western Catholicism on this forum. However, all discourse must be civil and charitable.

Since many threads can fit under a variety of forums (e.g., a thread about priests could legitimately be placed in Church News, Moral Theology, Apologetics, Non-Catholic Religions, Eastern Catholicism, Spirituality, or Liturgy & Sacraments, depending on the context), if a thread could legitimately be placed within a particular forum, it will remain in its original forum. If it obviously belongs somewhere else (e.g., a priest thread is specifically about a current news issue), then it may be moved to a more appropriate forum.

Here are some relevant examples:

Topic: What do the Orthodox say about Fatima?
Proper Location: Non-Catholic Religions
Why: The topic is directed to non-Catholics and is specifically about their views
How the conversation is likely to develop based on forum location: The Orthodox, Eastern Catholic, and Roman Catholic posters will charitably explain and defend their positions. Posters of other religions might ask questions to clarify positions which the Orthodox and Catholics might agree or disagree on. If sufficiently off-topic, new threads will be started to address side issues in the Apologetics, Spirituality, Eastern Catholicism, or Non-Catholic Religions forums.

Topic: What do the Catholic and Orthodox Churches disagree on?
Proper Location: Apologetics, Non-Catholic Religions, or Eastern Catholicism
Why: It is relevant to each of those forums and the placement would determine the poster's intended general audience.
How the conversation is likely to develop based on forum location:
In Apologetics, a Roman Catholic defense of the faith with apologetic material about the differences.
In Non-Catholic Religions, a discussion or debate between Orthodox and Catholic participants on historical issues.
In Eastern Catholicism, a discussion or debate between eastern and western participants on theological issues and how those affect the Catholic and Orthodox Churches.

Topic: How is the Liturgy of St. John Chrysostom different from the Roman Catholic Mass?
Proper Location: Liturgy & Sacraments, Traditional Catholicism, Eastern Catholicism, or Non-Catholic Religions
Why: It is relevant to each of those forums and the placement would determine the poster's intended general audience.
How the conversation is likely to develop based on forum location:
In L&S, a line by line comparison of the rubrics directed mainly focusing on the Mass with tangents into theological reasons for particular rubrics.
In Traditional Catholicism, a discussion on how the extraordinary and the ordinary forms of the Mass compare and contrast with the Divine Liturgy, mainly focusing on greater symbolism in the older Mass ritual.
In Eastern Catholicism, a theological and historical explanation of how they developed and how and why they are the way they are, focused on the topic of the liturgies and not on participation or exclusion of a particular group.
In Non-Catholic Religions, a theological and historical explanation of how they developed and how and why they are the way they are, focused on finding points of commonality or debating theological differences as evidenced through the liturgies of the Roman Catholic and Orthodox Churches.

Topic: Pope Benedict signs historic union with Pope Shenouda
Proper Location: Eastern Catholicism, Catholic News, Non-Catholic Religions, or Apologetics
Why: It is relevant to each of those forums and the placement would determine the poster's intended general audience.
How the conversation is likely to develop based on forum location:
In Eastern Catholicism, discussion of the union and the implications of it from the perspective primarily of Eastern Catholics.
In Catholic News, discussion of the union and the implications of it primarily for the Roman Catholic Church.
Non-Catholic Religions, discussion of the union and the implications of it and of the history of the Coptic Church.
In Apologetics, specific apologetic questions about how the union will affect Roman Catholic theological teachings.
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We very much appreciate that members are reporting spam to the mod/admin staff. We depend on such reports to keep the spam situation under control. But we have also repeatedly asked members not to post to spam threads both here in Staff Chat and in private messages. This is because such posts, however well-intentioned, add to the mod/admin staff's burden in cleaning up the spam.

Such warnings have been ignored, and so we now must issue infractions to members who post to spam threads. We regret the necessity and wish that alternative means of getting the message across had proved successful, but this is necessary to keep the spam under control because when members post to spam threads it makes those threads more difficult to deal with. If members contribute to the spam problem, even after repeated warnings to stop, then we must move to the next step.

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Default Moderation of threads in which a Catholic is doubting the faith or considering leaving the Church

Catholic Answers Forums exist for Catholics to dialogue with one another and become more knowledgeable in their faith. The Eastern Catholicism forum exists to provide a community for Eastern Catholics and to help Latin Catholics better appreciate the Church's Eastern heritage.

After much thought, the moderation and administrative staff have decided on an Eastern Catholicism forum policy not to allow discussions aimed at a particular individual who is weighing conversion because this is not an appropriate venue for resolving such problems.
While well-intentioned, any advice could, potentially, be dangerous.

There is a clear-cut risk involved in accepting, relying, or acting on the expressed opinions of those who either lack relevant professional qualifications and credentials, or whose claims to such cannot be validated. The experience or response of others in what appears to be a similar or identical set of circumstances is not an accurate measure of its applicability to someone else's situation.

People experiencing theological or spiritual problems that are affecting the well-being of their physical, mental, emotional or spiritual health should seek the counsel of their priests, confessors and/or spiritual directors who are known to them and have been entrusted with the care of their souls.


Also, CAF simply does not have sufficient moderation and administrative resources at this time to closely monitor all such threads. Catholic Answers does provide an avenue for pastoral support, Catholic answers to moral questions, and the prayers of our staff. We are open Monday thru Friday, 9 AM to 5 PM Pacific Time. The phone number is 619-387-7200.
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