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I often hear about "Coptic Christians" who are from Egypt on the news. What is a Coptic Christian, and how similar are they to Catholics?

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I often hear about "Coptic Christians" who are from Egypt on the news. What is a Coptic Christian, and how similar are they to Catholics?

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I think they are also referred to Oriental Orthodox (not to be confused with Eastern ). The Coptic Church is an apostolic church that became separated sometime before the Byzantine Church. They have valid Sacraments and there is a subgroup that is in Communion with Rome.
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google this

HISTORY OF THE PATRIARCHS OF THE
COPTIC CHURCH OF ALEXANDRIA

S. MARK TO THEONAS (300)
ARABIC TEXT EDITED, TRANSLATED, AND ANNOTATED
BY B. EVETTS

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The Coptic Orthodox are indeed one of the Oriental Orthodox Churches. This communion of churches did not accept the Council of Chalcedon (451), which they were unable to reconcile with the christological dogmas of the Council of Ephesus (431). They are not, nor have they ever been, Monophysites. Unlike the followers of the Eutychian heresy, which was condemned at the Council of Chalcedon, they do not deny that Christ has a human nature consubstantial with ours.
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So they have a valid Sacramental system and are similar to Catholics in practice? Well thats good to know.
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Let me point out that while the vast majority of Coptic Christians are Oriental Orthodox, there are some Eastern Catholics and I believe Eastern Orthodox who will also refer to themselves as "Copts." In the case of the Coptic Catholic Church, they still use the Alexandrian liturgy, and I assume they retain other aspects of Coptic traditions.

Also it bears remembering that the word "Coptic" can also have an ethnic connotation. The Copts are still, evidently, genetically distinct from the Arabs who conquered and took over Egypt, and the Coptic language is just what the language of the Ancient Egyptians has evolved into over the Millennia. Indeed the word "Copt" is just an alternate version of the word "Egyptian." Used in the ethnic sense one could theoretically speak of Muslim Copts or atheist Copts, just as there can be Christian Arabs or atheist Arabs, though I don't know if non-Christians of this ethnicity are in the habit of continuing to call themselves Coptic.
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The Coptic Orthodox are indeed one of the Oriental Orthodox Churches. This communion of churches did not accept the Council of Chalcedon (451), which they were unable to reconcile with the christological dogmas of the Council of Ephesus (431). They are not, nor have they ever been, Monophysites. Unlike the followers of the Eutychian heresy, which was condemned at the Council of Chalcedon, they do not deny that Christ has a human nature consubstantial with ours.
In a narrowly literal sense, at the very least, the Oriental Orthodox were and remain Monophysites, since if you ask them how many natures Jesus Christ has they will answer, "one." However, what they mean by this is very different from what other Monophysites like the Eutychians or Apollonarians believed (those two were very different from each other, but each in different ways ended up denying the full humanity of Jesus, which the Oriental Orthodox don't). For this reason the word "Miaphysite" is today generally preferred to "Monophysite", though again going by a literal definition of Monophysitism, Miaphysitism would be one variation of it.
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Sometime....! I read many time books which is written on coptic christians... And I also want to know about coptic christians. They have much diffrent events then other cast parties.. Also have diffrent leaving style then others.
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In a narrowly literal sense, at the very least, the Oriental Orthodox were and remain Monophysites, since if you ask them how many natures Jesus Christ has they will answer, "one." However, what they mean by this is very different from what other Monophysites like the Eutychians or Apollonarians believed (those two were very different from each other, but each in different ways ended up denying the full humanity of Jesus, which the Oriental Orthodox don't). For this reason the word "Miaphysite" is today generally preferred to "Monophysite", though again going by a literal definition of Monophysitism, Miaphysitism would be one variation of it.
Miaphysite comes from St. Cyril's famous formula mia physis tou Theou Logou sesarkomenč, one incarnate nature of God the Word. Does that mean St. Cyril was a "monophysite"?
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For the sake of your sanity, please leave it alone, Credo. Some people cannot help themselves.

But in case anyone is curious what the Copts believe and say about themselves, here is HG Bishop Youssef of the Southern U.S. Diocese responding to the false charge of "monophysitism", which is something we have never believed and will never believe. It is against our Christology just as much as dyophysitism, and for a similar reason, too (because the divinity and the humanity united in Christ are not separated, so how could one be taken away or destroyed?).
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I should like to attend one of their liturgies one of these days.

Reminded of when, by accident, I found myself in an Orthodox ceremony wondering why the parking lot was not nearly on a Lenten confessional service that was instead one block away.

I have been watching the news in Egypt with great interest and have taken to following Bishop Suriel and a few others on Twitter. Definitely praying for them in their hard times, regardless of whatever liturgical and more substantial differences there are.
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I often hear about "Coptic Christians" who are from Egypt on the news. What is a Coptic Christian, and how similar are they to Catholics?

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Well "Coptic" is essentially (as I understand it) a sort of Hellenized Egyptian, describing the
Egyptian culture, language, mode of writing, etc. Christians of this origin are known as Coptic
Christians. Now there are two MAIN Churches I believe, the Coptic Orthodox Church and the
Coptic Catholic Church (the latter I think broke off from the Orthodox and entered into commu-
nion with the Roman Catholic Church).
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I've read Mark was their Pope.
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The Coptic Church grew up around Alexandria and was founded by St. Mark -they diverged from the main body of Catholics very early in Church History -I attended one of their services-long -much incense -chanting -Icons-St. Mark was not a Pope-the Coptics do have a Pope

It seems to me they are very close to early Christians in belief and liturgy -also perhapsed influenced by the Nestorian Church

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The Coptic Church grew up around Alexandria and was founded by St. Mark -they diverged from the main body of Catholics very early in Church History -I attended one of their services-long -much incense -chanting -Icons-St. Mark was not a Pope-the Coptics do have a Pope

It seems to me they are very close to early Christians in belief and liturgy -also perhapsed influenced by the Nestorian Church

Influenced by the Nestorian Church? I don't think so. The Coptics and the other Oriental Orthodox could not accept the Council of Chalcedon exactly because they believed the Tome of Leo and the Chalcedonian Defintion to be prone to Nestorianism.
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