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Old Apr 12, '12, 5:19 pm
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Hi guys,

I myself am a traditional Irish Catholic. This evening I listened in on a very interesting conversation between my father and a friend.

Take this point.

You discover your neighbour is a paedophile. You go up to him, and tell him he must change his ways, promise you that he will never look at any material of that kind again, and pay you $200 not to go to the police. You make a deal, and continue on with your lives. You tell him you'll be watching, and if you discover he's at it again, you're going straight to the authorities and bringing him to justice.

I would consider this morally wrong. However, doing so will have the greatest good. He will be so terrified of you going to the police and ruining his life, he'll not go near the sexual material again. He will live in constant fear. Not only this, but you're giving him the chance to change and become a better person, but where the $200 comes in, is if he's had to pay you $200 to make the agreement, he'll definitely want to keep to the deal.

If you went straight to the police, he would be sentenced, and that'd be that. There isn't the same fear. He gets a second chance 10 years down the line.

By doing the immoral act, you're likely doing the greatest good. The outcome may in-fact outweigh the means.

What are your views on this? I just found it extremely interesting and though Id share

Food for thought! I'm not sure what I would do in real life. By following the letter of the law, Id go to the police. By following the spirit of the law, the man deserves a second chance, which you would have the power to give. By taking money from him and essentially blackmailing him, it'll help assure he doesn't harm another child again.

I love other peoples opinions and really hope you'll offer yours!

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Old Apr 12, '12, 6:04 pm
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A morally wrong act is still morally wrong, the ends do not justify the means.
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Old Apr 12, '12, 6:08 pm
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Hi guys,

I myself am a traditional Irish Catholic. This evening I listened in on a very interesting conversation between my father and a friend.

Take this point.

You discover your neighbour is a paedophile. You go up to him, and tell him he must change his ways, promise you that he will never look at any material of that kind again, and pay you $200 not to go to the police. You make a deal, and continue on with your lives. You tell him you'll be watching, and if you discover he's at it again, you're going straight to the authorities and bringing him to justice.

I would consider this morally wrong. However, doing so will have the greatest good. He will be so terrified of you going to the police and ruining his life, he'll not go near the sexual material again. He will live in constant fear. Not only this, but you're giving him the chance to change and become a better person, but where the $200 comes in, is if he's had to pay you $200 to make the agreement, he'll definitely want to keep to the deal.

If you went straight to the police, he would be sentenced, and that'd be that. There isn't the same fear. He gets a second chance 10 years down the line.

By doing the immoral act, you're likely doing the greatest good. The outcome may in-fact outweigh the means.

What are your views on this? I just found it extremely interesting and though Id share

Food for thought! I'm not sure what I would do in real life. By following the letter of the law, Id go to the police. By following the spirit of the law, the man deserves a second chance, which you would have the power to give. By taking money from him and essentially blackmailing him, it'll help assure he doesn't harm another child again.

I love other peoples opinions and really hope you'll offer yours!

Thanks
You don't mention how the neighbour has been found out to be a paedophile but anyway he should immediately reported to the police.
The "agreement" you talk about not only puts other children at risk with the man still being there but means you are committing a mortal sin and in fact a crime by extorting money from him.
Also only a very naive person would believe a paedophile would stop molesting children because they gave you a promise plus money. That's the height of stupidity.

Paedophiles NEVER change.
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Old Apr 12, '12, 6:08 pm
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I'd turn you both in. One for being a pedophile and the other for extortion, Being a pedophile deserves no second chances. Look at the trouble the Church has been involved in for turning a blind eye. Extortion is another crime and also a sin that can not go unpunished. But,seeing that this is a fictional representation, I hope I answered your question.
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I would have turned the sicko in immediately.
Sure you would have given him a chance to repent, put you would also be giving him another chance to molest another child!
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What? If you know its true enough to blackmail him, why wouldn't you go to the police? You are completely misguided in assuming that keeping it to yourself and blackmailing him is the greatest good. Are you kidding me?

Yes you both belong in prison.
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You should give him his money back, and then turn him in to the authorities so that he can go through the justice system just like everyone else. Also, if I were you, I would go to confession. You were turning a blind eye to this mans sins for money, that is called corruption." Forgiveness is NOT a substitute for justice"~ Benedict XVI
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1st: iiRISH_LUCK you may want to get rid of your email address in your profile and put your religion there instead

2nd: a. The $200 means nothing to the Pedo if thats the price he has to pay for your silence. b. If you know kids are being abused you must go to the police.

In the scenario you paint if he ever got caught he could claim you were some kind of accomplice, and you don't want to spend ten years in PC and be labelled a "skinner!"
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In your misguided scenerio, you've disregarded the victims and their chance to tell their stories (if needed and capable) and the chance to see their accused tried and see justice served. You've let the victims think the people that caused them harm are free and walking amongst them and continuing to find more victims. There is no closure for them.

Nothing good can come from what you propose.
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Did anyone say he was a peadophile or just had kiddy porn?

It ks possible he just may look at the porn and go no further.

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Looking at underage porn, a crime in the US.
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Did anyone say he was a peadophile or just had kiddy porn?

It ks possible he just may look at the porn and go no further.

If you view child pornography you are by definition a pedophile.
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If you view child pornography you are by definition a pedophile.
Even if he never touches a kid?

Unknown to me, I don't knowingly associate with peadophiles.
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Looking at underage porn, a crime in the US.
And no :"victimless" crime either!
Just in posing with other children they are victimised.
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Old Apr 13, '12, 7:40 am
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I think I've written this up allot worse than I realized!

The points being made between my father and his friend were much better. I just found it interesting as I'm actually an ethics student, and just thought I'd share. I'm so sorry if I offended or hurt anybody - this was not my intention at all.

I'd like to stress! I do not know of any pedophile and I have not taken money or accepted bribery in any shape of form! This is a totally fictional scenario.


Just to clear up:
- He's looking at child pornography, or wanting to meet up with a child to molest them - he hasn't actually harmed a child
- The fine you set him, if going to charity, does that make it acceptable? The monetary punishment just adds to the reasons to stop his filthy ways and feels at a loss.

I personally would have a hard time seeing my neighbor being taken by the police because he looked at kiddy porn. I'd also find it harder to take money from him, but some punishment has to be given - wether that be handing over cash, or his computer.

If I ever heard of a child being touched or harmed in any way, i'd as sure as anything have him removed from society.
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